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[Update][Meta] Jamie's Photobucket updated
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Finch
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Euchre wrote:
SlushoLover wrote:
Euchre wrote:
Nobody has been legally pursued for their actions relating to an ARG...Yet.


As a systems administrator I had to throw it out there. Not seriously though. Worst case scenario is probably PB rings up the upstream provider for unfiction which rings up their DC which dispatches a strongly worded email to the owner. Smile

Except the ones with the real damages are Paramount, Bad Robot, JJ Abrams, et al. This is a $30some million project? Not hard to do $5k of damage by screwing with the PB account. How much do you think they paid someone to create all of that and keep it up?

Another thing to note: does anyone really know that the password Doc Awk claims it was was actually it?


I wonder if this was a photobucket pro account aka one that is paid for. If so then I wonder if this is under the law of stealing a service here in the US that carries a felony charge. Hmmmm, either way I think who ever is in charge of the myspace pages or at least Jamies will get a new PB account, repost the pics and no legal action will be persued.

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keeno_82uk
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all i know is that if there is a fine, i won't be getting it.

The password is really simple so i guess it was just waitng to be found

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Euchre wrote:
SlushoLover wrote:
Euchre wrote:
Nobody has been legally pursued for their actions relating to an ARG...Yet.


As a systems administrator I had to throw it out there. Not seriously though. Worst case scenario is probably PB rings up the upstream provider for unfiction which rings up their DC which dispatches a strongly worded email to the owner. Smile

Except the ones with the real damages are Paramount, Bad Robot, JJ Abrams, et al. This is a $30some million project? Not hard to do $5k of damage by screwing with the PB account. How much do you think they paid someone to create all of that and keep it up?

Another thing to note: does anyone really know that the password Doc Awk claims it was was actually it?


I wish somebody was around to post earlier...I could have used a witness as well as an accomplice Very Happy
Seriously, check the original post...it was basically a hour and a half before I got a response to my question.
No biggy, I'm just new at this, that's all...and I could really have used some guidance.

I think it's fairly obvious something happened...
I'm half tempted to delete all my related posts at this point...but that seems fascist.

Let me just state for the record that anybody could have done it...it was probably Hawk to tell you the truth. (hooligan)
If I did do it, and by it I mean nothing wrong intentionally or otherwise, it was because of my relentless pursuit of clues, truth, and Slusho!

If any harm was caused, I'm putting it in Euch...he put me up to it. Dunno
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Dr. Awkward wrote:

I wish somebody was around to post earlier...I could have used a witness as well as an accomplice Very Happy
Seriously, check the original post...it was basically a hour and a half before I got a response to my question.
No biggy, I'm just new at this, that's all...and I could really have used some guidance.

I think it's fairly obvious something happened...
I'm half tempted to delete all my related posts at this point...but that seems fascist.

Let me just state for the record that anybody could have done it...it was probably Hawk to tell you the truth. (hooligan)
If I did do it, and by it I mean nothing wrong intentionally or otherwise, it was because of my relentless pursuit of clues, truth, and Slusho!

If any harm was caused, I'm putting it in Euch...he put me up to it. Dunno


Like I said before this could have been more damaging than it was but since all they have to do is make a new PB account and repost the pics I couldn't see them having much cause to go after someone (I have a feeling someone else is in control of that PB account now). I do agree that it was done innocently enough. Maybe the lesson they learn from this is never underestimate a persons curiousity getting the best of them and use a password thats a little harder to figure out next time.

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Euchre wrote:
Another thing to note: does anyone really know that the password Doc Awk claims it was was actually it?

Yea good point...if PARAMOUNT can't be proved as the actual password then JJ did do it!!
Him or...Marlena Shocked - she's been snooping around Jaimie's stuff for a while...
You can't prove it was the Doctor Rolling Eyes
Hawk could have easily gained access to Jaimie's info w/ his dashing good looks and clever player skillz... (bastard)
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SlushoLover wrote:
If the PB was not meant to be hacked, and the game is now ruined (can't see how, really), and you've caused more than $5000 in damage to someone or a group or company (BadRobot and Mkting team), then congratulations! You've just met all the qualifications of the Computer Abuse Act. Very Happy

Good thing you're in Japan, eh? Nice job on the password, btw. Right under our noses...


Yeah, I think anyone who thinks the game is "broken" because of this has a short memory.

Remember, folks -- they were COUNTING on someone hacking the password of Jamielovesteddy.com. The ARG was *dependent* on that hack.

And, since we now know for sure they're Watching Us, they knew good and damn well that playas had been looking for a way to hack the Myspace pages from the first day they appeared.

So let's not be naive -- it's not like Paramount/JJ couldn't see this coming. And any good ARG PMs already have built-in contingencies for overzealous players peeking behind the curtain.

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brettoniasam wrote:
Yeah, I think anyone who thinks the game is "broken" because of this has a short memory.
also something about being naive in there..

This was a little different. This is my very first ARG and even I can say that anything done that puts the players in control of the face of the game rather than the PMs was not *meant* or *planned* to have been done.

The images hosted there could have been changed to something else, which would have altered the face of the game. Had someone uploaded a nudie pic, or worse, and then reported it to MySpace this ARG (thus their marketing) could have come to a screeching halt as a main character's account was suspended or removed.

I'm not saying they don't expect you to be overzealous. But I think your assumption (read: assertation) that this ARG is reliant on our hacking into systems is a little naive itself. For all we know they had planned to unveil Jaime's videos through a series of clues spread out over weeks and we jumped the hurdle and ran right past them.

But who knows?? Neither of us could be right. Which is why I am enjoying this more and more each time something like this happens... Wink

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So I'm coming in late to this and didn't read seven pages, so let me get this straight: somebody HACKED the photobuclet page, changed all the images, and effectively either ruined or confused the "game" for everyone involved?

If that's the case... THANKS MEATHEAD!

You can't compare this to the "hack" of the JLT website, because no DAMAGE could be caused by that because it was in a controlled environment. They created that website from scratch with the express purpose of someone guessing; you can't make that same assumption with a global site like Photobucket.

I refuse to believe that "paramount" was the password, because if it was whoever's running this ARG should be dragged out to the street and shot. First off, it's a simple password. Secondly, it's a password that is not "in game". If this were a real world situation, Paramount would have *nothing* to do with anything!

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Nighthawk wrote:
So I'm coming in late to this and didn't read seven pages, so let me get this straight: somebody HACKED the photobuclet page, changed all the images, and effectively either ruined or confused the "game" for everyone involved?

He claims he didnt change the pics, but who knows. I refuse to believe that he did personally.
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Seriously, if the password was "paramount", I have been giving the PMs wayyyy to much credit.

Either way, Dr. Awkward has a pretty good defense lined up -- the PMs practically invite people to crack passwords etc., that's part of the game, so who's to know where the line is drawn? We still aren't even definitively sure whether this is part of the game or not. It was definitely forseeable to anyone with half a brain that (a) someone would try to crack that site (indeed, there is DOCUMENTED evidence of this on these forums, which we're pretty sure the PMs monitor), and (b) that someone would eventually try such a ridiculously obvious password.

I'm leaning towards this being IG, to be honest. Look at the reaction of everyone on here -- Dr. Awkward's probably on his way to Canada now, everyone else - including vets - are having WTF?!? moments. As far as I know, its something that's never been done in an ARG before... freaking out the players to make them think they went somewhere they weren't supposed to, when in fact they had planned it all along? This kind of mindf*** seems right up their alley.

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Dr. Awkward wrote:
If any harm was caused, I'm putting it in Euch...he put me up to it. Dunno

Not hardly buddy, and you aren't as technically inept as you play off as being.
Nighthawk wrote:
You can't compare this to the "hack" of the JLT website, because no DAMAGE could be caused by that because it was in a controlled environment. They created that website from scratch with the express purpose of someone guessing; you can't make that same assumption with a global site like Photobucket.

Indeed, to expand on that point - the JLT password doesn't allow you potentially destructive access to that site. The other marketing project that was trying to be an ARG (Ethan Haas, which ended as a train wreck) had similar passworded parts that didn't allow further access. There's a big difference between passworded access created by the PMs and conventionally passworded sites like PB.
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Whoakay guys, from someone who was around from the start, let me give you a summary of what happened

The timeline is:
Doc Awk hacks into Jamie's photobucket. He's under the impression that he's not the first, because it's an easy password. While there, he uploads a picture to "mark his territory". Then he posts on unforums that he broke in, but doesn't believe he was the first. He does NOT post the password on these forums.

Next, I come by. I check the photobucket and Jamie has uploaded a picture saying "you guys need to learn not to mess with other people's pictures.. Jamie"
Here's where you conspiracy nuts come in. If you want to believe that Dr. Awkward is behind all the changes...fine. But I guarantee you, he'd be in supremely hot water for hacking into someone's site and stealing/hijacking the account-- especially if the account is owned by someone with Paramount's muscle backing them. I really don't think he'd be brazen enough to hold on to the account for this long.

Next, weird updates start happening every couple of minutes, fairly frantic scramblings by the PM. The weirdest part of all of this is the posting of "random poem". Google seems to think its original, and by how well it's written, I'd bet money that it wasn't drawn up in five seconds by a panicking temp.

Still, at this point, I can't see them "rewarding" us for tearing a hole in the curtain, so I'm thinking the account just went immediately generic, making it quite firmly OOG.
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Good summary, but you missed one step-

For a brief time there were three pictures up, which ended, quite mysteriously, in the letters S I X.


Beautiful S (which became Beautiful Slowers)
Art I (which was Art1eight and became Cool Art)
Guernsey X (which was Guernsey 43 and became Guernsey Weather)

I mention this because if we're going with "in game" for this whole PB experience, then SIX must be important.

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Duckie wrote:
Doc Awk hacks into Jamie's photobucket. He's under the impression that he's not the first, because it's an easy password. While there, he uploads a picture to "mark his territory". Then he posts on unforums that he broke in, but doesn't believe he was the first. He does NOT post the password on these forums.

Except that, as seen here:
Dr. Awkward wrote:
I didn't hack anything...I just tried some passwords : onredcrab, cornbread, about fifteen other combinations, and then paramount.

Password was paramount.

They changed it quick..

So granted it was supposed to have been changed by the time he posted it, but then why was it screwed with even more - and yet the MySpace image links haven't been changed to something else or fixed? If 'Jamie' put up that message, I'd expect her to follow up with something done about the MySpace page. I'd also expect if the PMs were working on things, that page would be fixed too. It is more my suspicion that the PMs may not know yet that this has been done at all. It's a weekend, and real MySpace users would probably have time to check things, but a business would be closed.

Why is Awk so anxious to play innocent, only after someone said there could be serious legal ramifications? This isn't a witch hunt, we're not accusing Awk of something he didn't claim to have done. How much he did is all that's in question.
What does 'upload my sig' mean anyway? Only thing that is a signature of sorts you are using here is your avatar, which was uploaded after the account was closed to you, right? I'm a bit confused on that one.
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Hhahahah you guys are all freaking out about something.

Look if the password was indeed paramount, it deserved to be hacked. I'm not saying it's ingame but any decent Puppet Master would know not to make something vital to keeping the ARG a secret have such an easy password.

Awkward, nothing will happen to you.

Good find nonetheless. I'm going to see if I can fool around with the internet web archive to find a previous version of the pictures that were uploaded.

Remember, once it's uploaded, it's there forever. Deletion can only go so far.

EDIT: It's odd, the wayback machine has record of almost all the accounts under s195.photobucket.com/albums/z(#)/(name) except for Jamie's.

It's as if there was not record of it existing (dum dum dum!)

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