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Was it alright for us to hack into Jaime's photobucket?

Yes
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[Poll] Was it alright for us to hack the photobucket?
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pegassissy
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[Poll] Was it alright for us to hack the photobucket?

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brettoniasam
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A simple yes or no doesn't necessarily suffice.

How about a follow-up question: was it right for us to hack into jamielovesteddy.com?

There was no direct indication that we were "supposed" to hack JLT, but somebody did, and the game progressed because of it, and everyone patted themselves on the back for it.

Now, someone hacks the PB site, and the *same self-congratulatory ones* who praised the Jamielovesteddy hack act like a) no one should have attempted the Photobucket account and b) doing so is a violation of ARG rules, federal law, copyright law, at least three articles of the Geneva Convention.

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Arkaham
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What good was having the jaimielovesteddy site without the hacking? None. What bad could have been done by hacking into it? none.

What good was having the photobucket site without the hacking? Many, it was a tool to store the pictures for the myspace account, and people could already see anything they put up there. What bad could have been done by hacking into it? Many. And it was done. People deleted pictures. They put up nonsense up. The myspace was damaged, and it could had been worst.

So no, it is not the same thing. And it's not a legal affair. It's the fact that the game may had been derailed. It was for many people, just see the ones posting about getting notifications about Rob's Blog. The game was jacked for them.
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Fact is that anytime something comes up on the web we're not suppose to see Paramount yanks it. Photobucket page still there, jamieandteddy.com: still there. If we weren't suppose to hack it why are they still there, it's pointless to have videos/pictures without someone to see them. JJ and his crew are smart, if we weren't suppose to he would have shut what we did hack down and start something new and throw in a clue on the Happy Talk or Myspace or somewhere to lead us to that.

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brettoniasam
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Arkaham wrote:
What good was having the jaimielovesteddy site without the hacking? None. What bad could have been done by hacking into it? none.


See how easily you talked yourself into believing "no harm could be done by hacking into it?"

Surprise: I *didn't* see it that way. When I first turned up the page, and it shows a password protect, I backed the hell up. I figured this could have been a fan's private account, or at least some "members-only" fansite that only members of a fan forum had access to. Or, I figured, if it was legit, then we would see a clue soon enough in Jamie's Myspace page that would indicate the site was real and offer up the password.

I did NOT think "no harm could be done" by hacking the site. So I was surprised when somebody DID, and lo -- the waters were parted.

And with that revelation, I figured (and still DO figure) that they've opened up ALL their sites to Fair Game.

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waste of breath to try and explain the following words as you all know what you were getting into.

Shame on you Confused

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I find it disturbing so many people voring "yes", but you're not asking the big question... WHY do people think it was OK?

There is a difference between photobucket and JLT site. The JLT site was CREATED and DESIGNED to be "hacked", and even so it wasn't rocket surgery to get the password. You cannot compare that to a pre-existing widely used service.

Let's try to look at this another way... Google has all the information, doesn't it? After all, we gound Tagruato through Google, so they must have more information, right? So why don't you just go hack Google?

Or hack MySpace? I mean, they got to have information in there somewhere, right?

Or hack GoDaddy? They're hosting these sites, right?

Or hack Paramount Pictures website? There's got to be something in there, right?

Or hack Apple's Quicktime site? There's got to be a new trailer in there somewhere, right?

Where exactly is the "line in the sand", in your eyes? If you look at any of the above and think "man, that's a bad idea", what makes Photobucket any different?

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brettoniasam wrote:
A simple yes or no doesn't necessarily suffice.

How about a follow-up question: was it right for us to hack into jamielovesteddy.com?

There was no direct indication that we were "supposed" to hack JLT, but somebody did, and the game progressed because of it, and everyone patted themselves on the back for it.

Now, someone hacks the PB site, and the *same self-congratulatory ones* who praised the Jamielovesteddy hack act like a) no one should have attempted the Photobucket account and b) doing so is a violation of ARG rules, federal law, copyright law, at least three articles of the Geneva Convention.


Hear hear. If the password that was hacked turned out to be a guest password for the account that allows you to view the photos, but not alter them, there would be congratulations and pats on the back no doubt. Instead the easy password guessed by Dr. Awkward turned out to be for the main account, which is the PM's fault, not Doc's.

Hacking Rob's MySpace on the other hand, that's a different story.

Nighthawk wrote:
Where exactly is the "line in the sand", in your eyes? If you look at any of the above and think "man, that's a bad idea", what makes Photobucket any different?


The fact that photobucket has the option of having a guest password for private albums is what makes it different.

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WHY do people think it was OK?


Generally I think that the Puppetmasters need to define the space. I don't think it was absolutely clear that one site was to be hacked and another one wasn't. That is my opinion, I know others don't agree.

A different point is that people are going to try to hack it and they know it. So they should have used better security to protect their data. The topic of hacking photobucket first came up at the end of July, when Sarah M. photobucket was set to private.
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brettoniasam wrote:
And with that revelation, I figured (and still DO figure) that they've opened up ALL their sites to Fair Game.
(emphasis mine)

I know you'll never get it, so I should probably stop trying. Myspace and PB are NOT their sites. Breaking into myspace would gain you nothing so far as moving the game forward is concerned. The pics on Pb... aw, forget it.

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egyptianruin
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I look at it this way the hack into JLY was meant to be discovered - it was the password associated with the people involved in the gameplay - which would lead me to believe they knew someone would figure it out, it wasn't a pw that indicated that this was a movie in the making. However the paramount password is indicative that is was in relation to a movie or production. Albeit the password was way to easy and that is the result of poor decision making skills I do not think we were intended to figure it out.

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InAFieldofClover
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I don't think the PB was meant to be hacked. I think this was a case of someone on the film's end not being all that bright about picking passwords. In terms of the game, it just doesn't make sense that her password would be the name of the studio releasing the film. Sure, it could've had other meanings to the character... but come on.

Going into the account itself isn't really that bad, to tell you the truth. Where the hacker fucked up was deleting the existing pictures, not linking us to them because they may hold potential clues, and uploading a bunch of new ones just to fuck with us. I'd be way more interested in the pics that already existed inside the account than anything else.

So... hacking? Fine. If you have the urge to look into something like that, cool, can't say I wouldn't do the same. But fucking with the account, deleting all the pics, filling the character's myspace page with a bunch of broken images, and uploading new ones just to fuck with us? Not fine.

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1-18-08.livejournal.com wrote:

The fact that photobucket has the option of having a guest password for private albums is what makes it different.


But that's NOT the password that was cracked. The password was for the user account, and people screwed with the content that was plainly visable on the MySpace pages. If it had been the guest password, it wouldn't have been a big deal because everyone would've seen there was nothing to see and left.

rose wrote:
Generally I think that the Puppetmasters need to define the space. I don't think it was absolutely clear that one site was to be hacked and another one wasn't. That is my opinion, I know others don't agree.


Rose, I think space was defined by them using a third-party site to host the images in the first place. Hosting those images off their internal servers helped to flesh-out the characters by using services that the audience would use.

JLT gave us a password prompt, it asked us for a password before we could devoulge anything from it. However, all the images on the PhotoBucket site were already avialable to us without a password, and we had nothing to make anyone believe otherwise.

There is a big, bold like between JLT and PB, and members of this community crossed it. We can't go back now, and what ever comes of it comes of it.
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Are we speaking IG when we talk about "hacking" JLT? If not... wow, some of you have the line between reality and fantasy blurred beyond recognition.

JLT asked for a password. Someone came here, presumably someone affiliated with the movie, posted once (giving the password) and left. I don't see the huge invite we had to hack the photobucket account. In all likelihood, the PB's hold nothing of value otherwise there would've been a clear indication that we needed to get inside of it, like JLT.

In short, anyone who even refers to getting inside JLT as 'hacking' needs to maybe step away from the computer for a minute or so. You're talking about a fictional character not wanting their videos strewn across the internet. You do realize this, right? Fictional character. A fictional character that happens to have a website devoted to her fictional boyfriend, speaking of fictional situations in her videos and having someone from the movie studio who created her come to this board and give us the password.

...yeah, they sure didn't intend for us to know the password! Shame on us for being big scary hackers!

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We don't know $h!t...
and the PM's are probably lovin' it...

InAFieldofClover wrote:
I don't think the PB was meant to be hacked. I think this was a case of someone on the film's end not being all that bright about picking passwords. In terms of the game, it just doesn't make sense that her password would be the name of the studio releasing the film. Sure, it could've had other meanings to the character... but come on.

Going into the account itself isn't really that bad, to tell you the truth. Where the hacker fucked up was deleting the existing pictures, not linking us to them because they may hold potential clues, and uploading a bunch of new ones just to fuck with us. I'd be way more interested in the pics that already existed inside the account than anything else.

So... hacking? Fine. If you have the urge to look into something like that, cool, can't say I wouldn't do the same. But fucking with the account, deleting all the pics, filling the character's myspace page with a bunch of broken images, and uploading new ones just to fuck with us? Not fine.


We have absolutely zero proof that an ARGer tampered or deleted any of Lascano's pics. The pic of Dominic in Rob's bucket was left untampered with as well, as evidenced by his Myspace profile.

The fact that the Lascano bucket was recovered and mysterious pics, at one point spelling out SIX (another apparent clue), seems further confirmation of IG progression.

Any broken links may as well be considered IG, as they have presumably been created by a PM.

We have seen what ARG's do when gaining access first hand - they upload dorky hAxxOr pics…the events following the bucket recovery were much more calculated indeed.

Mind you we still do not know for certain that an IG progression has not been made.
There is no evidence to support this postulation any more than the former at this point

All we know is that she has yet to discover approximately 50,000 people have "hacked" into, likely, most important and personal site in her IG characters life.
She already hinted, or more or less stated, that if she does find out the whole internet see's her personal/private/intimate ramblings to Hanssen, she will be irate.

Although we viewed much less in the bucket than the vids - there seems to be evidence that IG clues were discovered and progression is being made…
Until the new pic's prove B.S., it seems as strong a possibility as anything else so far.

Why upload new pic's into the bucket and make it public otherwise unless this is some sort of advancement in the game…
if it's opposite it would seem recovering the bucket and maintaining a private setting would prove to be the more logical next step.

This isn't what has transpired.

This just further skews the "lines that have been drawn" in this interactive viral marketing campaign experience
which is evidenced by ARG's confusion as to WTF is truly defined as IG.

How are we not supposed to assume the potentially "secret dubbed word" in vid 2 would not lead to a password, that leads to a pic in another,
potentially, "private" IG site that possesses some information as to Hanssen's mysterious whereabouts or character development…

How do we know the new pics that are hosted in the now ARG accessible bucket album don't in fact contain clues
pointing in the direction of Hanssen's mysterious whereabouts and character development…

This was indeed my motivation and the answer to the question is...

We don't…and very few seem to be truly seeking this possibility, even though it is as plausible as any.

Actually, the more I think about the new pic's the more it seems we've progressed.

If a sixth pic is added soon, I'll be all but convinced.
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