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Was it alright for us to hack into Jaime's photobucket?

Yes
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 45%  [ 38 ]
No
54%
 54%  [ 45 ]

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[Poll] Was it alright for us to hack the photobucket?
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InAFieldofClover
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 		Wasn't this thread taking on the assumption that it was hacked anyway? We might all be speaking hypothetically, but that isn't any reason to discount that possibility either.

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InAFieldofClover wrote:
Wasn't this thread taking on the assumption that it was hacked anyway? We might all be speaking hypothetically, but that isn't any reason to discount that possibility either.


The evidence for PM recovery and new pic uploads just seems to outweigh the possiblity of an ARGer or lurker hijacking the PB account in question at this point.
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InAFieldofClover
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Dr. Awkward wrote:
InAFieldofClover wrote:
Wasn't this thread taking on the assumption that it was hacked anyway? We might all be speaking hypothetically, but that isn't any reason to discount that possibility either.


The evidence for PM recovery and new pic uploads just seems to outweigh the possiblity of an ARGer or lurker hijacking the PB account in question at this point.


To you. Because I suspect you had something to do with the hacking. What do the new pics prove? Oh wow, look! A picture of flowers, a poem and some balmy weather in Europe! Must be IG, because it proves a lot!

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 		Here is what I want to do, start one thread where people can talk about the lovely photobucket images as they are today. Let's leave this one for the poll, please.
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 		The bottom line is that the PMs made the mistake when they "gave" us the password to JLT -- maybe quite literally. The one-post wonder crazyover11808 is the one who "discovered" "jllovesth...after about 5 mins of work"....and then went on his merry way. Quite probably an ARG guide from JJ's camp.

Which FURTHER illustrates the way they've failed to delineate lines between the game and reality.

If you accept the notion that crazyover11808 was "sent" by JJ Abrams to give us the password to JLT, you MUST accept the following facts as well:

1) The PMs monitor the hell out of these boards.
2) In fact, they gave UNFICTION the key to the kingdom, so to speak -- not AICN, or IMDB, or Cloverfieldclues, or 1-18-08news, or any other site. So again --- they read Unfiction.
3) And if they read Unfiction, they know that the regulars had been talking about possible passwords for hacking the Myspace pages for many moons. It didn't come out of left field.
4) So, they should have either a) put up some serious security on those MSPs; or b) "drawn a line in the sand" to show us that those sites were off limits to Teh Uber Haxx; or c) used that knowledge to their advantage by creating a cheesy password, knowing full well that someone here would take the bait, and then use that to advance the story (just as the JLT "hack" did).

So, until someone proves that the pics that were uploaded to Jamie's account during the infamous Doc Awk hack were NOT from JJ Abrams' end...the strong possibility remains that the answer is 4c....they were expecting the hack, and had those pics ready to upload as soon as Jamie's security was breached.

Like it or not, by using "crazyover11808" to openly encourage hacking, they've essentially established that hacking is expected as PART OF THE GAME.

...Somebody at Paramount's end needs to get their shit straight and tell us what we CAN and CAN'T do. Right now, it looks like they're REWARDING Those Who Ride the Haxx, though.

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InAFieldofClover wrote:
Dr. Awkward wrote:
InAFieldofClover wrote:
Wasn't this thread taking on the assumption that it was hacked anyway? We might all be speaking hypothetically, but that isn't any reason to discount that possibility either.


The evidence for PM recovery and new pic uploads just seems to outweigh the possiblity of an ARGer or lurker hijacking the PB account in question at this point.


To you. Because I suspect you had something to do with the hacking. What do the new pics prove? Oh wow, look! A picture of flowers, a poem and some balmy weather in Europe! Must be IG, because it proves a lot!


I'm sorry you feel this way towards me Clover...because I've tried to the best of my abilities to be a constructive part of the forums, only contributing what I believed may advance the game...

I'm waiting for someone to accuse me of creating tagruato.jp with my magical CPU abilities...after all, my first post presented the finding of Tagruato Corp. from menuism.com in my very first post in this forum.

I hope there is no speculation that I am indeed Vernon MacDooble as well...

There doesn't seem to be any evidence to support a hijacking to me in term of Lascano's bucket for a few different reasons...contrary actually.

Granted, I may be wrong...

The "leave my shit alone pic" plays as if Jaimie is doing what she feels like...her character is not obligated to maintain pics...the fact that there are broken links in her myspace just makes the whole thing more realistic in a way.

Account recovery, pass change, "leave my shit alone" pic, recent public veiwing, 5 new non-offensive pics that spelled out SIX @ one point (calculated) and the fact that the account is still as it was after recovery all seem to evidence the opposite of a hijack (IG).
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InAFieldofClover
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 		I harbor no ill will towards you, Awk. I've discussed both possibilities and what either possibility would mean in terms of the game. I'm not discounting anything, but I'm leaning more towards one side like anyone would who has an opinion on it. It's all good.

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brettoniasam wrote:
A simple yes or no doesn't necessarily suffice.

How about a follow-up question: was it right for us to hack into jamielovesteddy.com?

There was no direct indication that we were "supposed" to hack JLT, but somebody did, and the game progressed because of it, and everyone patted themselves on the back for it.

Now, someone hacks the PB site, and the *same self-congratulatory ones* who praised the Jamielovesteddy hack act like a) no one should have attempted the Photobucket account and b) doing so is a violation of ARG rules, federal law, copyright law, at least three articles of the Geneva Convention.

rose wrote:
Generally I think that the Puppetmasters need to define the space. I don't think it was absolutely clear that one site was to be hacked and another one wasn't. That is my opinion, I know others don't agree.

Anyone with a decent grip on reality understands that a site made by the companies making this film (jamielovesteddy.com) is very different from an account on a 3rd party owned site (Photobucket.com, MySpace.com). Everything on the JLT site was made for us to see, including a password prompt we are led to with the ONLY usable link from the main page. We were also handed that password - face it, the person that gave us that appeared from nowhere and has STILL only posted ONCE.
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We have absolutely zero proof that an ARGer tampered or deleted any of Lascano's pics.

This from the person who said they just uploaded their 'sig' (tampering) and has the avatar which appeared basically simultaneously on the Photobucket and as their avatar.
Trying hard to distance yourself from your work now?
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Anyone with a decent grip on reality understands that a site made by the companies making this film (jamielovesteddy.com) is very different from an account on a 3rd party owned site (Photobucket.com, MySpace.com


Dude, you don't want to be questioning my grip on reality. You don't want to be questioning the other player's grip(s) on reality. If you have a factual point to make, which hasn't been made 100 times already, then make it - without putting anyone down or making snide comments, please.

I've tried to be nice and explain this as patiently as I can. I'll try one more time.

This is the deal: an in-game site is an in-game site. It doesn't matter if it is owned by a third party or not. If you had actually been able to experience a decently designed story, instead of chasing down this trail leading nowhere, you would know that on your own without me telling you.
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rose wrote:
This is the deal: an in-game site is an in-game site. It doesn't matter if it is owned by a third party or not. If you had actually been able to experience a decently designed story, instead of chasing down this trail leading nowhere, you would know that on your own without me telling you.


See, that's where I mean that reality steps in.
Paramount makes the rules on the domains they own.
MySpace, Photobucket, and the like make the rules on the sites THEY own.
If those 3rd party sites don't like us breaking what are the usual rules on their sites, even if it's for the sake of an ARG, they have every right to bring consequences to us. If they happen to be partners in the ARG then it may get tricky for them, and that very quandary may be what is being faced right now. If they allow such an action as an account hack in an ARG, they invite people to use it as an excuse to mitigate other such intrusions. Something along these lines are what basically interrupted The Human Pet. YouTube killed off the first account.
I think the whole point is that when we stop understanding where the game begins and ends, we stop understanding what the word "alternate" means in the name "alternate reality game". Understanding what's IG is about understanding where alternate reality ends, and reality begins.
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Ecks51 wrote:
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The fact that photobucket has the option of having a guest password for private albums is what makes it different.


But that's NOT the password that was cracked. The password was for the user account, and people screwed with the content that was plainly visable on the MySpace pages. If it had been the guest password, it wouldn't have been a big deal because everyone would've seen there was nothing to see and left.


When you try to view a private album on PB it asks you for a password. If you enter the guest password it logs you in as a guest. If you enter the account owner's password it logs you in as the owner. The account was hacked because people on the 1-18-08news forums were trying to figure out the guest password, but when they figured it out it turned out to be the account password instead. If it was the guest password, nobody would be crying and complaining about how wrong it was to hack it. The blame belongs with the PM's for not choosing a more secure password for the account.

Obviously once the password was known people were going to misuse it. If you leave a $100 bill in the open with nobody watching, someone's gonna take it. Do you blame the person that took it or the idiot who left it there?

It'll be a shame if the PM's stop using the MySpaces because of this, but it's their own fault.

Also, if whoever changed the passwords on the accounts also changed the e-mail addresses (which IIRC doesn't require access to the e-mail accounts), the accounts cannot be recovered unless they can get an admin to reset the accounts for them, which they only do for VIP's.

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which they only do for VIP's.


Luckily there happens to be at least one or two VIP's involved with this promotion. I think that most advertising agencies would be able to straighten this out, should it be needed.
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 		I wonder if one of the PM's are gonna lose their job for making the password too easy (if the hack was unexpected)....
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Euchre wrote:
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We have absolutely zero proof that an ARGer tampered or deleted any of Lascano's pics.

This from the person who said they just uploaded their 'sig' (tampering) and has the avatar which appeared basically simultaneously on the Photobucket and as their avatar.
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Not at all Euch...
Although attempting to upload an OOG avatar (to evidence you had crossed an IG hurdle) is not something you would ever do Wink ,
it's not the same as deleting IG pics...is it??

It's not to difficult, even for someone technically inept as myself, to upload an avatar from a public PB account Very Happy
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Dr. Awkward wrote:
Euchre wrote:
Dr. Awkward wrote:
We have absolutely zero proof that an ARGer tampered or deleted any of Lascano's pics.

This from the person who said they just uploaded their 'sig' (tampering) and has the avatar which appeared basically simultaneously on the Photobucket and as their avatar.
Trying hard to distance yourself from your work now?
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Not at all Euch...
Although attempting to upload an OOG avatar (to evidence you had crossed an IG hurdle) is not something you would ever do Wink ,
it's not the same as deleting IG pics...is it??

No, not the same of course. However, we don't know who did exactly what, and we only know that you said you were in the account right before it went all askew. Circumstantial evidence does not favor you at this point.
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