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drizjr
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 		The broadcasts that were lost on 10-10 that MerRabbit mentioned here from node 3 were the Boystown (?) message on VHF/ 267 MHz/ 87.5 Az, and the Wichita message on VHF/ 214 MHz /(eta) 129.5 Az
I just realized that the battery finder message replaced the Wichita one. So, when she says, "... I don't know where I am. You'll have to tell me.", is that where she is? In Wichita?

I noticed today, that the spider messages on node 1 (VHF/96 MHz) and node 3 (VHF/ 96MHz) are now gone.

eta: The Wichita message Azimuth was 129.5. The current battery message on VHF/214 MHz is 130.5 Azimuth. Can we do anything with that info? Is it the same woman in both messages?

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drizjr wrote:
The broadcasts that were lost on 10-10 that MerRabbit mentioned here from node 3 were the Boystown (?) message on VHF/ 267 MHz/ 87.5 Az, and the Wichita message on VHF/ 214 MHz (I'll look up the Az and edit this.)
I just realized that the battery finder message replaced the Wichita one. So, when she says, "... I don't know where I am. You'll have to tell me.", is that where she is? In Wichita?

I noticed today, that the spider messages on node 1 (VHF/96 MHz) and node 3 (VHF/ 96MHz) are now gone.


Yeah, maybe it was replaced by the reply? makes sense
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 		Well, I decided to look through all the nodes for possible new frequencies. When I found that the "Thunder Mountain is Down" message is on ALL of the nodes. And the "battery finder" message...at the beginning she says:


"I made a battery finder"


twice? Hmmmmm...


Also, one...was it node 1? Maybe 3. But anyways, i found that when i put it on VHF, for the first few seconds while I was flipping through the frequencies...the default static sound is very, very, very quiet. It made me scratch my head.


And that is my worth while things to investigate into post of the day!

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sMooTH WuN wrote:
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Ive been away for a bit and it seems like new frequencies are popping up.. can I ask how you guys are monitoring them? are you coming across them by chance or do you have some sort of strategy?


No strategy, really... just a daily scan of the nodes. There's a break in the audio while passing over a broadcast. It sounds like the start of the static loop though, so I go over that spot on the bandwidth a few times to make sure it's not just that.

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 		For those of you with the program "Audacity", Im attaching a file thats actually a piece of the "vampire" message.. let me know what you think.. ive been fiddlin with it for a while and got it actually a lot clearer.. if I get some positive feedback here, I'll try it with the whole message and other messages...


EDIT: Dammit.. gotta download a program that exports .aud to .mp3..

EDIT2: woo! check it out guys.. its a lil clearer..

EDIT3: The file below is strictly from Node 6. I have a clearer version of what is said completely on Node 1 (in mp3 form, regarding the "Vampire" message) if anyone is interested. Apparently its too big a file to attach to a post..eh oh well.. if anyone is interested, either PM me or email me and I'll send u it..
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 		I was in the middle of creating a .KML file for this and there were several changes that occurred while I was working with the four receivers. 96MHz is gone altogether. Here's what I see currently:
Quote:
Low Frequency

165 kHz
Node 3 - Azimuth 148

174kHz
Node 6 - Azimuth 77

High Frequency

8 MHz
Node 1 - Azimuth 195
Node 2 - Azimuth 185
Node 3 - Azimuth 236

27 MHz
Node 1 - Azimuth 150
Node 2 - Azimuth 110
Node 3 - Azimuth 347.5
Node 6 - Azimuth 198

Very High Frequency

49 Mhz
Node 1 - Azimuth 31.5
Node 6 - Azimuth 74.5

148 Mhz
Node 1 - Azimuth 31.5
Node 6 - Azimuth 74.5

214 MHz
Node 3 - Azimuth 130.5

Ultra High Frequency

2.46GHz
Node 6 - Azimuth 0

Not sure if it's part of the TT world and force mobility or if they're cleaning up their vectors as they weren't just right. I think when I get this done, I'll see that there are more of them pointing at each other than we've seen, so far.


EDIT: Attaching the .KML.
Had to use Google Maps because Earth won't run on this laptop/connection.

If somebody'd like to verify the angles in Earth, that'd be great as Maps doesn't support that. I used xnbomb's triangulation pinpoints where possible. I never looked at the receiver locations before. Some of them are in really weird spots, geographically.

It didn't save correctly. I'll ytry again, tomorrow.
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
I was in the middle of creating a .KML file for this and there were several changes that occurred while I was working with the four receivers. 96MHz is gone altogether.

Heh, great timing ... last night I was just starting to think about the effect of projection choice on how things turn out. Of course, if you use an accurate globe model, you don't have to worry about that so much. An interesting thing is that once you start doing that (using an accurate globe model, or by using an appropriate projection to generate these 'signal lines' {which of course are curves when depicted on a map}, like azimuthal projections centered on each node so everything else is depicted with true direction with respect to that node) things look pretty different. For example, the relatively tight crossing of the 27 MHz signals is not really that tight. So, I'd take any of those quick bi- and tri-angulations and the resulting coordinate pairs with a whole handful of salt ... they were somewhat approximate.

The only useful thing I came up with last night is that Wichita, KS is at a bearing of about 129.5 or 130.5 from Node 3 as per our friend on 214 MHz that won't say her name and found a battery (it is 128.38 to the city center, but I gather Wichita does sprawl a little, like most places do).




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 		I'm getting an error code "101" trying to save that Google map, but it does look a lot like what you just posted.

I know the Google geography tools can be quite far off as far as geospatial coordinates go. I was trying to give folks something they could kick the tires on and see what's close on a satellite map.

Like I said, there are some interesting features located at the receivers. Caves, possibly?

Maybe I'll try it again in Google Earth, later.

Edit: xnbomb: Is your Node 3 in the right place? I'm a little over 50 miles to the west and my 27 MHz signal, there, lines up just a little west of Node 2.

Edit2: Here's that Google Earth .KMZ file. It only has the currently active signals.

Edit3:
There's a new signal on Node 6 UHF at 2.46GHz on Azimuth 0.
No voice. Sounds kind of like the unintentional hetrerodyning that used to sometimes occur in the AM broadcast radio spectrum.

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
<snip>There's a new signal on Node 6 UHF at 2.46GHz on Azimuth 0.
No voice. Sounds kind of like the unintentional hetrerodyning that used to sometimes occur in the AM broadcast radio spectrum.

That same strange sound can be heard on Node 3, UHF at 1.35 GHz, 180.0 Azimuth.

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Edit: xnbomb: Is your Node 3 in the right place? I'm a little over 50 miles to the west and my 27 MHz signal, there, lines up just a little west of Node 2.

Yeah, that's one of my irritations with this business. In the dearther.html list it is listed as:

N 41.1430583, W 102.650119

and in the title of the page when you click on it, you'll find it listed as:

N 41.1430583, W 103.640119

(Booba pointed this unpleasant fact out a while back, so if you must serve me trout, I like mine from the Sooke River.)

Which is right? Who can say. Hopefully the same someone who intends us to find something using this data? Rolling Eyes
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 		No. My bad.

I read it a week ago, but promptly forgot about that fact and just went with the title values from the individual pages

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drizjr wrote:
Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
<snip>There's a new signal on Node 6 UHF at 2.46GHz on Azimuth 0.
No voice. Sounds kind of like the unintentional hetrerodyning that used to sometimes occur in the AM broadcast radio spectrum.

That same strange sound can be heard on Node 3, UHF at 1.35 GHz, 180.0 Azimuth.


That's just so bassackwards, I wonder if it's not a message from the PM that we are totally off base.
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 		I'd say use the nodes listing, the node would likely be updated from the node site whereas the main page would likely be updated by an administrator.

I'd go with the node listings.

xnbomb wrote:
Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Edit: xnbomb: Is your Node 3 in the right place? I'm a little over 50 miles to the west and my 27 MHz signal, there, lines up just a little west of Node 2.

Yeah, that's one of my irritations with this business. In the dearther.html list it is listed as:

N 41.1430583, W 102.650119

and in the title of the page when you click on it, you'll find it listed as:

N 41.1430583, W 103.640119

(Booba pointed this unpleasant fact out a while back, so if you must serve me trout, I like mine from the Sooke River.)

Which is right? Who can say. Hopefully the same someone who intends us to find something using this data? Rolling Eyes


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 		Cross posted info via Rogi Ocnorb
Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Two more beacon type signals have been added.
Node 1-UHF-1.74GHz-Azimuth 90(Due East)
Node 2-UHF-1.38GHz-Azimuth 270(Due West)

These are perfect examples of what xnbomb was talking about where the curvature of the earth comes into play.

The farther the distance between two points along an east-west line (and the farther away from the Equator you go), the more divergence from the latitudinal line you see along the line of sight.

All lines of latitude are actually curved, except for the Equator.

It's really apparent when viewed in Google Earth:
http://rogi.ocnorb.googlepages.com/BlackHillsRadio.kmz

Signals in this frequency range can travel quite a fair distance and can even bounce off the troposphere for longer distances. I plotted the ends of the lines at the US Border in all directions, which is admittedly, overkill and skews the lines more than necessary.

Without knowing the distance between the transmitter and the receiver, we can't plot a line with any certainty.

If it is easier the visualize true compass directions, you can view the file in google maps.
It maps it's coordinate points to a "flat" Earth.


Originally posted in the trailhead thread, for your convenience Very Happy
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As requested, here's our latest four azimuths, which are in the four cardinal directions:





And with that, I'm sorry to say I'm pretty much done with this. As time has passed in this business, we get more and more 'information', and yet our ability to put any of it in context / understand it is not improving. This is particularly ironic for me personally, as I spend a lot of time in my work extolling the virtue of maps and spatial data as a means of communication.

But I have to write that here, in this context, it's just not working for me. None of this means anything to me. It's just a collection of unrelated (or maybe vaguely related) facts. If there's a message, I'm not getting it. If there is a goal, I'm not seeing it. If there is a narrative, I cannot find it. And more to the point, if there is a channel of communication that will produce a response that I can understand and that will clear any of this up, it's not working.

This business started with an invitation from a character to do something together. Since then, that personage has vanished. And no other personages have appeared to take his place. This is a ghost town; there is no one to talk to, no one who talks back at any rate. I've been invited to a world that appears to be empty. In my opinion, the soul of these sorts of things is communication, a back and forth that brings two halves together. For that to happen, I need to be able to send a message, know that it is received, and in return receive a response that I can understand. Without that, it's just not fun for me. It's stumbling around in the dark and bumping into things.

EDIT: Oops, I had the directions for 3 and 6 reversed before
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