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Arkanor
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I never saw anything about the Halo installations being designed initially for containment and study of the Flood. Obviously they're not optimized to get a grip on the Flood long-term since 343 Guilty Spark notes in Halo 1 something to the effect of "We must hurry, Reclaimer. The Sentinels can use their weapons to manage the Flood for a short time."

I've been wondering about that Terminal 6 text myself. The only possible explanation I can think of is that the Halo effect frags all life of sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood, including current Flood combat, carrier, and [whatever the new Flood enemy is] forms. This would leave only infection forms behind (presumably), which would be unable to control ships and (without stasis) would probably starve to death wherever they were.

That or Bungie is retconning the Halo effect so that it kills all life including Flood.

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Whether the rings were built specifically to study the flood, or they were converted to installations to study the flood, I don't think has been made clear. But the rings are, as per Halo 1, installations intended for study of the Flood, which soon became weapons when the flood began spreading over the galaxy. The rings themselves don't have to annihilate the local residing flood - which is why the sentinels can only do so much. With their intent to wipe out all food for the flood, it doesn't matter if there's still flood on the ring after its firing or not - the plan was that the remaining flood, whether infection form or infected, would starve and die out in time. The rings were never said to kill any flood... since primarily, the infected flood are already dead, just taken over by infection forms. So without killing the flood themselves, all flood forms would still be around after the firing - on the Halos and off.

The point of the rings: kill the food, then wait. Eventually the flood would dissipate, and repopulation of the galaxy could commence. AFAIK, that's the entire gist of the Halos' purpose and actions. 'Index'es of all life forms in the galaxy were stored so that the post-flood galaxy could be repopulated. Gateways were created (eg the one on earth, not resistant to the ring effect) for transporting and escaping to the Ark, where the rings were created, and possibly where non-infected forms (forerunner?) could escape the ring effect. As per the legendary ending, who knows what could happen in future Halo-universe games.

So...
* Halos do not kill flood, in any way.
* Halos were intended for researching the flood, and became weapons to eradicate the flood's food.
this is Bungie canon.
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But thebruce, (spoilers incoming)
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the Terminal text makes it pretty clear that the Halo effect killed the crew of the Flood controlled ships being used by Mendicant Bias. And I'm pretty certain that they are canon, because they are in the game...which would mean the Halos must at least kill Flood hosts, even if not the Flood themselves.


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But, how did the Flood "samples" survive on Installation 04 without food? And, is the Gravemind an exception to the array's inability to kill the Flood?

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Also, I have several questions concerning the actions taken at the end of Halo 3. For what purpose was the new Installation 04 activated? If the ring cannot harm the Flood, and everyone else left through the portal, what effect did it have? It would appear that one of the only sentient lifeforms remaining within the radius of this ring would be Master Chief, whom survived (assuming the portal closed early, severing the ship and leaving him near the Ark). Are we supposed to believe that the ring killed everything it shouldn't have and didn't kill anything it should have? Finally, after concluding that the threat of the Flood is no more, clearly there are plenty of lifeforms left in the galaxy waiting to be infected by the Flood, which by now happen to be everywhere. Am I missing something? Is the whole point that nothing has been concluded? Because from my perspective, nothing has.

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Cloaked Hunter wrote:
But, how did the Flood "samples" survive on Installation 04 without food? And, is the Gravemind an exception to the array's inability to kill the Flood?

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Also, I have several questions concerning the actions taken at the end of Halo 3. For what purpose was the new Installation 04 activated? If the ring cannot harm the Flood, and everyone else left through the portal, what effect did it have? It would appear that one of the only sentient lifeforms remaining within the radius of this ring would be Master Chief, whom survived (assuming the portal closed early, severing the ship and leaving him near the Ark). Are we supposed to believe that the ring killed everything it shouldn't have and didn't kill anything it should have? Finally, after concluding that the threat of the Flood is no more, clearly there are plenty of lifeforms left in the galaxy waiting to be infected by the Flood, which by now happen to be everywhere. Am I missing something? Is the whole point that nothing has been concluded? Because from my perspective, nothing has.


Hrm... Let me ponder this one...

Er... How about this: The premature firing of installation 04 destroyed it, right? Perhaps the destruction of the Halo ring also destroyed the Ark, and the destructive force of both of those explosions destroyed the Flood near the Ark/Halo.

But that still wouldn't resolve the threat of the ginourmous Flood army headed for Earth. Methinks that there are plot-holes in need of filling.

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Guys, you should use spoiler tags...anyway.

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The Flood aren't spread throughout the galaxy...the Flood were contained to High Charity. High Charity headed to Earth, then promptly left through the portal, arriving at the Ark. High Charity crashed on the Ark, the replace Halo 04 asploded, the Ark asploded, High Charity asploded, the Flood asploded.

At least, that's my take on it. And as for the Halo not killing MC, I don't believe the Halo actually fired. I think it just blew up.


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Awhite2490 wrote:
Guys, you should use spoiler tags...anyway.

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The Flood aren't spread throughout the galaxy...the Flood were contained to High Charity. High Charity headed to Earth, then promptly left through the portal, arriving at the Ark. High Charity crashed on the Ark, the replace Halo 04 asploded, the Ark asploded, High Charity asploded, the Flood asploded.

At least, that's my take on it. And as for the Halo not killing MC, I don't believe the Halo actually fired. I think it just blew up.


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Awhite2490 wrote:
Guys, you should use spoiler tags...anyway.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The Flood aren't spread throughout the galaxy...the Flood were contained to High Charity. High Charity headed to Earth, then promptly left through the portal, arriving at the Ark. High Charity crashed on the Ark, the replace Halo 04 asploded, the Ark asploded, High Charity asploded, the Flood asploded.

At least, that's my take on it. And as for the Halo not killing MC, I don't believe the Halo actually fired. I think it just blew up.


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But, if it's so conveniently easy to get all of the Flood into a confined space and make it asplode, why couldn't the Forerunners just do that? I mean, although it was a last resort, they did make a weapon to kill all sentient life in the galaxy, and they used it (to little effect, it seems). So, assuming that the majority of the Flood were on High Charity, it would make sense to activate an unready ring, causing it and everything around it to asplode, thereby removing the majority of the Flood threat. (And, it also makes sense that the activation of an unready ring would fail to eliminate sentient life beyond causing massive physical destruction, explaining Master Chief's survival). But, it has been shown how quickly the Flood can populate. So, it seems to me a more thorough solution is necessary, whatever that may be. Again, from my perspective of the events of Halo 3, not much has been concluded with much confidence, but perhaps that was what the writers intended.

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spoilered Rolling Eyes
fyi, the game's been out a couple weeks now, and spoilers are everywhere... spoilering the ending is a little annoying given we're all really into the story already... finish the game! Wink

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1. nowhere does it say all the flood were on high charity - that's obviously incorrect
2. the terminals show that the gravemind is the 'heart' of the flood, and will use the flood to protect himself, so the mass of flood was focused with the gravemind, at the ark.
3. Gravemind didn't know they were going to blow up halo 4, and MB had a hand in all this as well
4. without the gravemind, the flood are much less powerful, if at all, and spread thin around the galaxy, those that remain
5. I have the play through the game narrative again to remember if cortana wanted either to fire, or to destroy the ring, but either way, the ending says that while halo was firing, it shook itself to pieces. whether this was due to its 'newborn' instability, or due to work of MB, I'm not positive.
6. either way, the gravemind was destroyed with the halo's explosion

cloaked hunter: if it's so conveniently easy to get all of the Flood into a confined space
the terminals describe that this was only discovered right near the end, with OB, MB and the gravemind's final confrontation, as well the reports given in the first portions of the terminals as they studied the gravemind's actions.


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Cloaked Hunter wrote:

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But, if it's so conveniently easy to get all of the Flood into a confined space and make it asplode, why couldn't the Forerunners just do that? I mean, although it was a last resort, they did make a weapon to kill all sentient life in the galaxy, and they used it (to little effect, it seems). So, assuming that the majority of the Flood were on High Charity, it would make sense to activate an unready ring, causing it and everything around it to asplode, thereby removing the majority of the Flood threat. (And, it also makes sense that the activation of an unready ring would fail to eliminate sentient life beyond causing massive physical destruction, explaining Master Chief's survival). But, it has been shown how quickly the Flood can populate. So, it seems to me a more thorough solution is necessary, whatever that may be. Again, from my perspective of the events of Halo 3, not much has been concluded with much confidence, but perhaps that was what the writers intended.


Well to be honest at the point in time of the Forerunner last stand, there would probably be literally trillions of Flood, and I dont think it would be logistically possible to get them all into the same place.

Other than that, Gravemind's death would mean nothing, the Flood can just pile loads of corpes together to make another one, I think it says so in the Bestarium.

As far as I remember, the ring just exploded, no Halo pulse, just a ginormous bang which destroyed the Ark planet and all in the near vicinity. I'm pretty sure that we are meant to believe that most of the Flood were on High Charity. The other question is, are there more Flood on the other Halo's? Either way the Flood aren't extinct yet.

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Okay, to be more clear, my point was that it's clearly not possible for the Flood to be confined to a single area and be destroyed so easily. Therefore, even with the Gravemind destroyed, the Flood threat is not over and can repopulate just as it did before. We seem to agree on this.

Is there any confirmation as to whether or not the Gravemind was ever destroyed after the first activation of the array?
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Wow, I missed quite a lot, but im just going to add my tidbit and be along.
Halo 3 didnt answer all our questions, of course. Why? Because we still want answers, and you know what were willing to do for the conclusions. Why, of course, buy more Halo related games! I definitely think were left with holes in the script, because simply, theres more money left to get and more questions to be answered.
Did we Finish The Fight? Yeah, were our questions answered? Nope.
Im sure the next Halo-Slogan will be something like "Finish the Fight... On Knowledge!"

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Cloaked Hunter wrote:
Is there any confirmation as to whether or not the Gravemind was ever destroyed after the first activation of the array?


No but we can assume that he starved to death. Apparently there were multiple Graveminds initially but this current one (who may or may not be dead) is the first one since the first activation. That we know of.

I've been doin' some pondering, and among my wonderings has come the Maginot Sphere. Namely two questions: what is it and where is it. At first glance one's impulse is to go "it's the Onyx facility" but that's not the case. In the reports found in the Terminals you'll see the Onyx facilities (yes there are more than one) mentioned, but the Sphere is apparently different.

My hypothesis is that the Sphere is actually the shortened 'Line' that the Forerunners were holding against the Flood. Space is three-dimensional, and the most economical shape to hold would be a sphere. So although I recall earlier speculating that the planet/spherical object seen in the Legendary Ending is the Maginot Sphere, I have changed my mind.

I think it's possible we could be viewing (quick shoot me before I say it)... Marathon. No I'm joking. Actually my new hypothesis is that we might be viewing the current Forerunner homeworld.

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the terminals suggest that the previous gravemind was tricked by the forerunners, and that they escaped through the portal to the ark which is out of the halos range and past the rim of the galaxy then activated the rings. any potential flood hosts would have been eliminated,the gravemind would have had no way to reach the arc and the flood would die off without food. however this time around the gravemind and its 'flood army' are thought to be going to earth but in fact is heading for the portal to the ark as it will not be fooled again. knowing that it would be out of the range of the halos this would be the most likely place for the flood to head.

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Food for thought...

Ok, it's a bit of a stretch, but maybe, if there is another Halo game, that MC and Cortana land on whatever planet their going (I now believe that it is the Forerunner's homeworld, despite the Marathon symbol on the side,) and the game will delve deeper into the reasons for why the Forerunners did all this, and what kind of power that the Prophet of Truth was talking about when he said that by firing the Halos, that the Covenant would make the Great Journey.....Oh, and Halo Wars might give some answers.
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