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[SPEC]Extremophiles
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john locke
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Shocked now that is spooky!! and I agree with you red walrus at least there is a DIRECT link to whales and extremophiles, even if it is onlya touch! as far as Ive seen theres no link at all to whales in any other way and the tagruato site mentions extremophiles specifically and gene research on the site! so they could be studying them on the whale carcasses as that was mentioned regarding other scientists studying them. Didnt you laugh at the "godzilla" reference though? Wink

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john locke wrote:
Shocked now that is spooky!! and I agree with you red walrus at least there is a DIRECT link to whales and extremophiles, even if it is onlya touch! as far as Ive seen theres no link at all to whales in any other way and the tagruato site mentions extremophiles specifically and gene research on the site! so they could be studying them on the whale carcasses as that was mentioned regarding other scientists studying them. Didnt you laugh at the "godzilla" reference though? Wink


Yeah, that was a good one. you wouldn't believe how many wierd coincidences I've found, like I've called the DSI "nectar" along time ago in my KoTTos Theory thread.
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20876

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john locke wrote:
apologies for double post but this is just too funny!
"An interesting side note here is that one of the most active areas of exploring for extremophile microbes is in the skeletons of beached or dead whales in their naturally cold environments. Whales and seals have a very slow decay rate, particularly in polar regions and because of their very thick layers of blubber, also spawn a community of bacteria that breakdown fats. A single whale that had sunk to the bottom of the polar seas was recently recommended for microbial analysis when a Russian rescue mission discovered its presence while on a reconnaissance mission. This find is considered important to developing new kinds of thermally stable enzymes by standing watch both as biologist and vulture in the carcass of naturally decaying polar life."


I've resisted this thread for such a long time, but can't any longer. I'm a microbial ecologist (see blog below) and have some experience of extremophiles. There isn't really a direct link between whales and extremophiles, they just both happen to be there (the bottom of the sea) at the same time. The bacteria in question will flourish on any organic matter that falls from the surface oceans, so if you dropped a Big Mac or a dog off the side of a ship and it made it down the couple of kilometers to the sea floor, then it too would be colonised by bacteria and other organisms that can survive the pressure, temperature and salinity that's found there. Also it's not merely a case of survival, extremophiles have an obligate requirement for a particular condition such as high salinity, otherwise they are just extremotolerant (boring). Whales were used for the experiment as it's quite easy to spot a whale carcass on the seafloor, and more difficult to spot a Big Mac.

Historically the deep sea hasn't been the most active place for extremophile research; I would go for Yellowstone Park and Obisidian Pool.

With Tardigrades, they are interesting as they are eukaryotic; the majority of extremophiles are bacteria or archaea. But in strict terms I would refer to them as extremotolerant as they don't seem to have an obligate requirement for the extreme conditions, they're just tough little buggers.

That was a case of self-indulgently scratching a scientific itch rather than furthering the cause of 1-18-08. Sorry. I feel better now.
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Mikeyj wrote:
if you dropped a Big Mac or a dog off the side of a ship


"Well, now, guess what, this is happening... That's how I roll!"
-Jack Black, Anchorman

Baxter! Nooo!!

Seriously, though, that information is excellent! Keep it coming! If you have some first-hand professional knowledge of these lil' buggers, then please: share! Worshippy

Here's some other questions for ya'... could the bacteria described in the 'day in the life' article on Tagruato's YMR page be extremophiles? And, would a bacteria-extremophile (or extremotolerant) survive warming up? Would they survive being ingested by a person? Would they release unknown chemical compounds upon warming and/or dying?

Any answers or opinions/theories about any of these questions would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.

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Melampus wrote:
Mikeyj wrote:
if you dropped a Big Mac or a dog off the side of a ship


"Well, now, guess what, this is happening... That's how I roll!"
-Jack Black, Anchorman

Baxter! Nooo!!

Seriously, though, that information is excellent! Keep it coming! If you have some first-hand professional knowledge of these lil' buggers, then please: share! Worshippy

Here's some other questions for ya'... could the bacteria described in the 'day in the life' article on Tagruato's YMR page be extremophiles? And, would a bacteria-extremophile (or extremotolerant) survive warming up? Would they survive being ingested by a person? Would they release unknown chemical compounds upon warming and/or dying?

Any answers or opinions/theories about any of these questions would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.


http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BA/1297xtremo.html
"But Diversa scientists have faith in their search for extremophiles, the bacteria that live in harsh environments. "

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Melampus wrote:
Mikeyj wrote:
if you dropped a Big Mac or a dog off the side of a ship


"Well, now, guess what, this is happening... That's how I roll!"
-Jack Black, Anchorman

Baxter! Nooo!!

Seriously, though, that information is excellent! Keep it coming! If you have some first-hand professional knowledge of these lil' buggers, then please: share! Worshippy

Here's some other questions for ya'... could the bacteria described in the 'day in the life' article on Tagruato's YMR page be extremophiles? And, would a bacteria-extremophile (or extremotolerant) survive warming up? Would they survive being ingested by a person? Would they release unknown chemical compounds upon warming and/or dying?

Any answers or opinions/theories about any of these questions would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.


I will try a short answer on this. Extromophile like any bacteria, lives on/within substrate and in a particular environmental condition (heat, light pH, uv-rays, etc). Bacterias have variable survival rate when exposed to a new substrate or environnemental conditions. To maintain a steady growth, you must maintain the substrate and the environmental conditions. Taking specimen to lab requires that you need to reproduce to conditions during the trip and in the labs, because you will increase the mortality rate and decrease the sustained population. Extremophiles are bacteria that are specialized to grow in conditions where "normal" life cycle is not occuring. So you need to reproduce the same condition if you want them to live. That's why you don't have deep sea extremophiles in the pond at the park, despite it could have been filled with deep sea water. To survive in your digestive tract, they would have to be acclimated to it, or they will be digested or not being competitive enough with your intestinl fauna. As an example, there are some dairy product that adds probiotics to help maintain a good intestinal fauna.

Bacteria are like small transformation plant. The transform the substrate on what they live into energy and into metabolic wastes. In the industry, bacteria/microorganism/yeast are commonly used, think beer... Some bacterias are used to decontaminated soiled ground. Some are modified genetically to produce protein or organic compounds. There is intensive research to find new bacterias that can process chemical or else. It is very likely that we will continue to find micro-organism that produce metabolic wastes that are useful to us.

I hope this clear your mind a little...

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Keeping in mind the writers of 1-18-08 are using "movie Science" do you think it's possible that the extremophiles mentioned at YMR are the DSI?

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As an aside
2 quick definitions YMR DSI

YMR = Yoshida Medical Research

http://www.tagruato.jp/ymr_subsidiaries.php

DSI = Deep-sea Ingredient

( from chef's recipes and slusho ingredients and distribution opportunities )

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Good chance of it.....and maybe there really unstable or somethin and thats why they always have to be frozen....perhaps?
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What if they didn't become unstable - but, perhaps, passively active in a
more sub-tropical climate...say 98.6 degrees.

Walrus, aren't their (extremophiles) properties in alignment with them
coming "alive" after they are thawed...
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Many harsh environement bacteria change to a dormant form until the favorable condition come back. We know that the deep see drilling stations are close/related to underwater fault lines environment. Life is sustained in this environment by hydrothermal vents that provide minerals and heat, lots of heat. So if an extremophile is active only at high temp, freezing it could trigger dormancy or sporulation. This mechanism in real life would be very plausible since deep sea water tends to be extremely cold as soon as your are not in the vincinity of hydrothermal vent. In the case of lost of the source of heat, the bacteria would enter dormancy and drift about until it came haphazardely close to a new heat source (ie hydrothermal vent). So... DSI is probably the sporulant/dormant form of a bacteria that is kept dormant by extreme cold. When exposed to heat, cellular mechanism are awakened, reviving the bacteria.

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So, when warmed... Slusho comes to life!!!

And, we know, from the new "Distribution" page on Slusho, that it's got to be kept cold throughout shipping, storage, and service. Therefore, according to their design, the unavoidably first point of warming would be: consumption.

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Sure. But the warmth of a mouth is nothing compared to the near boiling heat of the water around a hydrothermal vents. Of course, there is a gradient of temperature related to the distance of the said vents: farther = colder. Anyway, I think we got the picture right and that JJA won't go any further in the " Cell biology" drawer. Maybe the Jaimie urinary tract infection is linked to exposure to this strain of bacteria. And that reveals us that, waste water could carry the chemical signal that guide our "to be discovered" monster to its feeding ground. If you followed my other posts, I strongly believe that the monster feeds on animals that have ingested the DSN. Tagruato disrupted its feeding habits and now we are the prey since we ingested DSN ans smell accordingly.

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Not to mention the heat produced by friction from the drills against the seabed.
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