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InsaneFox
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 		Khaaaaaaan!
I found some corroborating evidence. Here's the message I sent JC

Sometimes the media is the best source of information. Theyre everywhere, but sometimes don't quite put together the pieces.

As referenced in the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studie's condensed news headlines out of Pakistan, and, due to the nature of the Prince's last told location,
A.Q. appears to be none other than Abdul Quadeer Kahn, a Pakistani nuclear scientist. As far back as October 2004, 'nuclear watchdogs' were not allowed to interview him. As well, during October of 04, the then 'Assistant Minister of Defence' Prince Khalid bin Sultan' began coordinating and holding 'Joint military exercises' and talks with the Pakistani Minister of Defense Rao Sikanar Iqbal in Pakistan.

http://www.ipcs.org/Oct_04_pakistan.pdf

Quite the coincidence, hmm? Of course, there is the old intellegence adage,
'There are no coincidences, only connections you don't yet understand'

-The.Red.Fox.
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"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
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Satire
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JohnJimJoeBob wrote:
...just so we're clear, I'm fairly certain it was supposed to be "OF", not "ZF". Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we're getting a little carried away trying to find anything related to ZF.

The stuff on Zermelo-Frankel set theory uses a bunch of logic symbols. Being as into math as I am, I'd like to think I'd recognize the extracted .gif if it were a mathematical logic symbol, so I don't think it has to do with our symbol.


I just re-listened to the morse code, and I was always kinda sketchy on that particular letter (the last chunk could be either a hyphen or two dots). It seems like the recording kinda musses up a bit at that point. I've tried re-recording it twice, but Sylvia's recording has the same issue.

The portion in question is attached graphically below. If it's two dits, then it's a Z. If it's a single dah, then it's an O. What do you think?

Of course, if it's an "O", the sentence actually makes sense:

"Decimal After 1st 2 Digits of each." ...which is what we did to get the coordinates into a functional form after converting them from binary. It seems like the ZF is out. Kudos to JohnJimJoeBob.
MorseCodeZF-OF.JPG
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MorseCodeZF-OF.JPG

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:23 pm
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Mrfangs6
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 		Red Monday's source code.
Hi! I just got confirmation from JC, and I found this in red-monday.com's source code:
Quote:
Who is AQ. Is he you?

Did you already know this?

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Salsaman1991
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 		How's it going? I'm new to the whole ARG concept. Thought this game might be interesting and decided to jump in! I haven't received any "personal" emails from JC, although I've already complied (I had to type either Bravo to say i'm in or Aergyl or something like that to back out). Anyways...maybe I just gotta wait... The last e-mail posted in this thread is the one I received immediately after I punched in my address in red-monday.com.

Also, I searched but couldn't find a thread or forum to properly introduce myself... So, I'm Salsaman1991. I hope you'll see me around here quite often.

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Nereus_Theophilus
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Satire wrote:
JohnJimJoeBob wrote:
...just so we're clear, I'm fairly certain it was supposed to be "OF", not "ZF". Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we're getting a little carried away trying to find anything related to ZF.

The stuff on Zermelo-Frankel set theory uses a bunch of logic symbols. Being as into math as I am, I'd like to think I'd recognize the extracted .gif if it were a mathematical logic symbol, so I don't think it has to do with our symbol.


I just re-listened to the morse code, and I was always kinda sketchy on that particular letter (the last chunk could be either a hyphen or two dots). It seems like the recording kinda musses up a bit at that point. I've tried re-recording it twice, but Sylvia's recording has the same issue.

The portion in question is attached graphically below. If it's two dits, then it's a Z. If it's a single dah, then it's an O. What do you think?

Of course, if it's an "O", the sentence actually makes sense:

"Decimal After 1st 2 Digits of each." ...which is what we did to get the coordinates into a functional form after converting them from binary. It seems like the ZF is out. Kudos to JohnJimJoeBob.



I have looked this over and relistend and I have come to the conclustion it is OF, not ZF. I also had some friends of mine here look at it and they all agree with me.

Welcome Salsaman1991 nice to have you here. If you have any questions just send me a PM.

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 		ANYONE TRANSLATE THE BINARY?
Cause it gives the city that Khaled is in. oizp Iran. Cant do the little slash.

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 		Re: ANYONE TRANSLATE THE BINARY?
ScotioBade wrote:
Cause it gives the city that Khaled is in. oizp Iran. Cant do the little slash.


That has already been done.

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Salsaman1991
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 		Is it just me...
...or this whole thing is just plain creepy? I mean, one thing is messing with people from the past...but someone alive? And JC gave us the exact location of a nuclear energy plant... it just has that certain feeling, y'know? The "Is this for real or not?" feeling.

On the other hand, it can't be real (the web site is too flashy, the password too easy, hidden in a common place...). But, like somebody else said, is it likely that we're helping dangerous people? I guess not, governments must have enough info themselves, but.... It's still creepy xD

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 		Re: Is it just me...
Salsaman1991 wrote:
...or this whole thing is just plain creepy? I mean, one thing is messing with people from the past...but someone alive? And JC gave us the exact location of a nuclear energy plant... it just has that certain feeling, y'know? The "Is this for real or not?" feeling.

On the other hand, it can't be real (the web site is too flashy, the password too easy, hidden in a common place...). But, like somebody else said, is it likely that we're helping dangerous people? I guess not, governments must have enough info themselves, but.... It's still creepy xD


That is what makes a good ARG good.

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SpaceAngel
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 		Re: Is it just me...
Nereus_Theophilus wrote:
Salsaman1991 wrote:
...or this whole thing is just plain creepy? I mean, one thing is messing with people from the past...but someone alive? And JC gave us the exact location of a nuclear energy plant... it just has that certain feeling, y'know? The "Is this for real or not?" feeling.

On the other hand, it can't be real (the web site is too flashy, the password too easy, hidden in a common place...). But, like somebody else said, is it likely that we're helping dangerous people? I guess not, governments must have enough info themselves, but.... It's still creepy xD


That is what makes a good ARG good.


Really really strong TINAG has always freaked me out. And I mean, if we were to follow your line of thinking, that maybe there is more than just a little truth to this.. what would set us more at ease than something familiar, and easy, almost routine, like looking through the source? I mean, World Without Oil was just like a giant think tank.. couldn't any ARG almost be the same thing? Hypothetically of course. I'm probably freaking myself out more just typing this. Very Happy

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 		Re: Is it just me...
SpaceAngel wrote:
Nereus_Theophilus wrote:
Salsaman1991 wrote:
...or this whole thing is just plain creepy? I mean, one thing is messing with people from the past...but someone alive? And JC gave us the exact location of a nuclear energy plant... it just has that certain feeling, y'know? The "Is this for real or not?" feeling.

On the other hand, it can't be real (the web site is too flashy, the password too easy, hidden in a common place...). But, like somebody else said, is it likely that we're helping dangerous people? I guess not, governments must have enough info themselves, but.... It's still creepy xD


That is what makes a good ARG good.


Really really strang TINAG has always freaked me out. And I mean, if we were to follow your line of thinking, that maybe there is more than just a little truth to this.. what would set us more at ease than something familiar, and easy, almost routine, like looking through the source? I mean, World Without Oil was just like a giant think tank.. couldn't any ARG almost be the same thing? Hypothetically of course. I'm probably freaking myself out more just typing this. Very Happy


Well, what I mean is: there has to be something to create the reality/game barrier. Year Zero for example, was quite obvious, yet, that "Bureau of Morality" call you received when entering your phone number in artisresistance.com was really freaky...

We'll just have to wait and see (40 days and a couple of hours, right?). Nothing can be considered "solid" until the 26th of november, then. JC has been giving us little information, if any... all we can do is speculate and try to get as many details from him as possible.

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 		Re: Is it just me...
Salsaman1991 wrote:
SpaceAngel wrote:
Nereus_Theophilus wrote:
Salsaman1991 wrote:
...or this whole thing is just plain creepy? I mean, one thing is messing with people from the past...but someone alive? And JC gave us the exact location of a nuclear energy plant... it just has that certain feeling, y'know? The "Is this for real or not?" feeling.

On the other hand, it can't be real (the web site is too flashy, the password too easy, hidden in a common place...). But, like somebody else said, is it likely that we're helping dangerous people? I guess not, governments must have enough info themselves, but.... It's still creepy xD


That is what makes a good ARG good.


Really really strang TINAG has always freaked me out. And I mean, if we were to follow your line of thinking, that maybe there is more than just a little truth to this.. what would set us more at ease than something familiar, and easy, almost routine, like looking through the source? I mean, World Without Oil was just like a giant think tank.. couldn't any ARG almost be the same thing? Hypothetically of course. I'm probably freaking myself out more just typing this. Very Happy


Well, what I mean is: there has to be something to create the reality/game barrier. Year Zero for example, was quite obvious, yet, that "Bureau of Morality" call you received when entering your phone number in artisresistance.com was really freaky...

We'll just have to wait and see (40 days and a couple of hours, right?). Nothing can be considered "solid" until the 26th of november, then. JC has been giving us little information, if any... all we can do is speculate and try to get as many details from him as possible.


I pretty much understand what is happening so far. It what I expect is right this will be a fun game. I will email JC to ask a few questions. But I think we on the right path right now.

Basically what I thing is going on is that, the "Prince" met with or was planing to meet with Abdul Qadeer Khan to purchase nukes. Now where this is going is what I think is going to be the fun part. I kind of hope they did meet. But I am not the PM so we will see.

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 		Re: Is it just me...
Nereus_Theophilus wrote:
Salsaman1991 wrote:
SpaceAngel wrote:
Nereus_Theophilus wrote:
Salsaman1991 wrote:
...or this whole thing is just plain creepy? I mean, one thing is messing with people from the past...but someone alive? And JC gave us the exact location of a nuclear energy plant... it just has that certain feeling, y'know? The "Is this for real or not?" feeling.

On the other hand, it can't be real (the web site is too flashy, the password too easy, hidden in a common place...). But, like somebody else said, is it likely that we're helping dangerous people? I guess not, governments must have enough info themselves, but.... It's still creepy xD


That is what makes a good ARG good.


Really really strang TINAG has always freaked me out. And I mean, if we were to follow your line of thinking, that maybe there is more than just a little truth to this.. what would set us more at ease than something familiar, and easy, almost routine, like looking through the source? I mean, World Without Oil was just like a giant think tank.. couldn't any ARG almost be the same thing? Hypothetically of course. I'm probably freaking myself out more just typing this. Very Happy


Well, what I mean is: there has to be something to create the reality/game barrier. Year Zero for example, was quite obvious, yet, that "Bureau of Morality" call you received when entering your phone number in artisresistance.com was really freaky...

We'll just have to wait and see (40 days and a couple of hours, right?). Nothing can be considered "solid" until the 26th of november, then. JC has been giving us little information, if any... all we can do is speculate and try to get as many details from him as possible.


I pretty much understand what is happening so far. It what I expect is right this will be a fun game. I will email JC to ask a few questions. But I think we on the right path right now.

Basically what I thing is going on is that, the "Prince" met with or was planing to meet with Abdul Qadeer Khan to purchase nukes. Now where this is going is what I think is going to be the fun part. I kind of hope they did meet. But I am not the PM so we will see.


I just want to find out how JC fits into this. I mean.. what do we really know about him? Obviously he needs help, which may mean that he's a bit over his head. But in what, exactly?

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 		Interesting thread I found at the Google Earth community forums -- http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Number/545218

I couldn't get anything in GE (there's no KML file posted), but there's an interesting Google Maps map --> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=545218&t=k&om=1

Shows A.Q.'s house. I'd say our assumption that A.Q. is Khan is correct, and I"m surprised that JC and company couldn't figure that one out.

ALSO -- just saw this. The mysterious character that we thought could be a 'whah' sound is connected -- http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/pakistan/wah.htm -- there's a POF wah located near the facility as shown on the GM map.

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 		Re: Is it just me...
SpaceAngel wrote:
I just want to find out how JC fits into this. I mean.. what do we really know about him? Obviously he needs help, which may mean that he's a bit over his head. But in what, exactly?


JC works for a company that is cracking some code, they are part of the CIA? They all seem to be on the up and up, except for the leak.

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