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[SPEC]How the monster awakens
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Euchre
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smartmart wrote:
You are mixing things here Euchre. Gravity, Archimede's Law, fluid' physic ,and biomechanics.

I mention them all because they all come into play in the discussion of a creature from the ocean walking on land.
(Oh, btw - debate when about a topic and without insults doesn't make me mad.)

Thanks for keeping it clear that gravity is a constant in both environs. I know that gravity is different on the moon and of course was actually an advantage for the astronauts, but my point was the other factor being a lack of pressure didn't throw that advantage away and cause them issues walking about.
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Now to have a creature that walk on the ocean floor AND build a musculoskeletal systems powerful enough to pushes force vector that equals the gravitational forces on land, it will need to have a body density greater than water. In fact it should no buoyancy at all, which is very unlikely for an organic life form that is this big. For a creature this big you can just imagine the total weight of it, it's unthinkable.

Exactly what I was trying to say, that the creature would not be buoyant. As for thoughts of it's weight being unthinkable - we've said that about some very real things before. I make no assumptions in that respect, so such a huge creature (one that stands tall enough to threaten the ESB) is not so totally implausible to me.

You expound upon the differences in pressure, and the effects they have. I notice also you speak of how the creatures we know about tend to adapt to these conditions. If this is meant to be a creature that evolved at those depths, it's obviously one we didn't expect to find there based on previous observations. This segues nicely into the next part about biomechanics...
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The musculoskeletal system of any vertebrate is principally adapted to one thing, opposes the gravitational forces to gain mobility. The amount of force deployed by a said muscle will be proportional to the average force required, unless it is trained volontarily to exert more force.

Exactly the thinking - the 'voluntary' need or desire to exert more force would tend to push such a creature to develop a much more dense musculature and highly dense and strong bone structure. If our creature is so large and lives in those environs, based on what we already know about those depths it'd have to move quite a lot and fairly quickly to obtain enough food to feed that huge body. The only large creatures that might be at that depth to feed on would be giant squid, which only have one theorized predator - whales (oh, there I went and mentioned those things again Laughing ). This is all fairly unlikely, hence why I said before that the monster being a creature that evolved there is unlikely, I just think that it's still possible. If JJ chose this vector for supporting his monster's origins, it's much more of a 'reach'. You might have missed that I mentioned the idea of a 'proto-whale' being effectively stranded down there, probably accidentally, and in some form of cold stasis. It'd have a hard time getting itself out, so something like this amazing DSN or the prospecting team bringing it up themselves would be likely to bring it out of such stasis.

My main concern in what you said was that you implied anything walking up from those depths would get noticed well before reaching NYC. As I already pointed out most of it's journey it would be well concealed.[/quote]
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 		Bah, forget about scientific evidence. I tend to be too much by the book when it come to this. I don't want to interfere with the fun we have here speculating about the monster, the DSN and such. And IMHO I don't think JJA is gonna put aside entertainement in favor of science, because it is gonna a movie boring as hell. I need some puzzling challenge to change my mind before I start again on a new in-deep science explanation on why I need a puzzlling challenge. Shocked

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