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 		Re: Happy Recap
rose wrote:

*And, one I didn't know, the vast majority of players do not post or chat.


I'd bet that this is different with games like Aware where the required interaction is so high. In experiences where there is less interaction, those that want to lurk are freer to do so and still be very involved at a personal level. Once the majority of the information is disseminated through chat interaction, those that want to lurk are instantly excluded unless they enjoy reading lengthy chatlogs and emails written to other players and player-characters.

For me, I think that's one reason why I take it so harshly when people such as Nash accuse me and those that advocate less interaction of being "stagnant" and slowing the growth of the genre. If games such as his are instantly excluding anyone that is not willing to participate fully (as he said, he doesn't consider them players and would rather they not bother speaking up) how is that perpetuating growth and increasing player numbers? I have come to have nothing against that style of play (to each their own), but I do believe that it is more limiting overall. I'd love to know his final numbers once the game is done and a rough estimate of "spectators" and lurkers to see how it compares with previous experiences. I could be very wrong and if so, I'm willing to eat my words Smile

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Varin
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jamesi wrote:
Even if line isn't their usual/"real" handle


When reading the article I assumed that line wasn't his/her usual nick because of the picture of the person typing in a ski-mask. Of course, the author may not have picked that pic and may have been added by argn.

*shrug*

I don't really care who wrote it. The feeling I got from the article would be the same if anyone wrote it. I think that the author could have had a very logical and successful argumentative essay if he or she would have refrained from using phrases like...

*"PMs who can't resist identifying themselves"

*"Why are the anonymous PMs able to retain their discipline and professionalism"

*"I'm inclined to believe that inexperience, intense need for recognition and possibly loneliness might be considerable contributors to this lax in discipline"

*"even an over-inflated sense of the value and quality of one's work plays a significant part in the failure to fortify the boundaries around an alternate reality."

Generally, when accusative words are used, even when the article makes valid points supporting a point of view, many are going to miss the real meaning of the article. Instead of really fighting for their point of view, for me, the author came off as someone who is angry at a bunch of PMs. Just look at the difference if the author had said "PMs who choose to identify themselves" rather than "PMs who can't resist identifying themselves". It's all in how you say it.

I recognize that there are different points of view on this subject. I would have liked to see a more well-written editorial trying to convince me that an iron curtain is the way to go. I would actually like to see editorials trying to convince me of each and every one of the points of view. Instead I read an article that alienated many from the "iron curtain" point of view rather than actual think about whether or not the ideas were valid ones.

EDITED TO ADD: If the author used these words and style on purpose to drive people to believe in the opposite point of view, then Bravo! Pure Genius!
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 		Re: Happy Recap
imbri wrote:

For me, I think that's one reason why I take it so harshly when people such as Nash accuse me and those that advocate less interaction of being "stagnant" and slowing the growth of the genre. If games such as his are instantly excluding anyone that is not willing to participate fully (as he said, he doesn't consider them players and would rather they not bother speaking up) how is that perpetuating growth and increasing player numbers?
-imbri


I *was* fully interactive in the game, but unfortunately Nash took myself and others out of the game when he went with Intellim. So I was forced to become a "rubbernecker" in this game, for the time being.

By limiting any feedback to only players I think Nash would be ignoring a valuable resource. Sometimes the rubberneckers are the most experienced (and I don't mean me) in the genre and they have the greatest insight into the problems and issues a PM faces. No one likes criticism, but there is usually some value in it. So take what you think applies and throw the rest away.
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 		Re: Happy Recap
enaxor wrote:
imbri wrote:

For me, I think that's one reason why I take it so harshly when people such as Nash accuse me and those that advocate less interaction of being "stagnant" and slowing the growth of the genre. If games such as his are instantly excluding anyone that is not willing to participate fully (as he said, he doesn't consider them players and would rather they not bother speaking up) how is that perpetuating growth and increasing player numbers?
-imbri


I *was* fully interactive in the game, but unfortunately Nash took myself and others out of the game when he went with Intellim. So I was forced to become a "rubbernecker" in this game, for the time being. .


For various reasons Aware is going back to using Trillian (YIM/MSN/ICQ/IRC etc) which should give most people a chance to get involved again.
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enaxor
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 		Re: Happy Recap
Magesteff wrote:


For various reasons Aware is going back to using Trillian (YIM/MSN/ICQ/IRC etc) which should give most people a chance to get involved again.


Thanks Mage for posting. I was glad to learn that they will be going back to Trillian. It was very frustrating not being able to communicate with characters. I'm looking forward to the 15th. Very Happy
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 		Re: Happy Recap
Magesteff wrote:
For various reasons Aware is going back to using Trillian (YIM/MSN/ICQ/IRC etc) which should give most people a chance to get involved again.


This allows us to access multiple chat programs. Which service will Marcus, Marty, Jude, et al be using? YIM? AIM?
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Nightmare Tony
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 		The only downside of using Trillian is that it doesnt like to do do file transfers on AIM, at least, if not others. But for the purpose, files can be set up for elsewhere..
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