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[SPEC] Marlena
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Woogy
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[SPEC] Marlena
(Her fate, as a focal point in trailer, etc.)

I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, but I mainly want to focus on 1:30 to about 1:40 in the new trailer. First off, we see Marlena surrounded in darkness, with little to no ambient sound. This means that they are most likely deep within the subway system. Secondly, we she turns to face the camera, we see a red light and what appears to be something moving behind her. It is important to notice the red light. A few seconds later, someone yells for them to run, and the same faint red light is visible. This means that they are most likely attacked and this could be the scene where Marlena is potentially fatally wounded. While I may be over analyzing or missing something, I think this 8 second clip may be key to the smaller monsters. Sorry for the long winded post. Just needed to organize some thoughts.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:44 am
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I would like to express my opinion on the popular belief that people are becoming 'infected' by the monster(s), and theories that Marlena, in particular, has an infection that is causing her to bleed from the nose and mouth.

Severe trauma to the gut or the chest can cause internal bleeding, which can be vomited/coughed up from the stomach or the lungs. For anyone who hasn't vomited before, or coughed up copious amounts of fluid, it can come up through the mouth and nose. The reason I'm telling you this is because even the worst bacterial and viral infections NEVER infect and cause disease within a few hours of contact. We're usually looking at 24-72 hours before the kick in and do some damage. Given that I believe that Abrams is a smart bloke, and that he would have taken these things into account, I'm not entirely convinced that we have an infection on our hands.

This is assuming, of course, that Abrams hasn't bent the rules of infection and made up a bacteria or a virus that does.

Another thing to take into consideration, is that some toxins can cause rupture of blood vessels and cause bleeding from every orifice, and this needn't take more than a few hours depending on a toxin's potency and the amount administered. It is possible that if there are 'smaller' monsters terrorising the city, they may be poisoning the citizens of N.Y.

All in all, Marlena Diamond is more likely to be suffering from trauma or the effects of some sort of toxin that has entered her system, rather than an infection.

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However, she does seem to be bleeding from the eyes as well in one of the publicity shots. I doubt trauma to the midriff would cause that.




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I don't think the monster(s) are infecting the humans, I think the humans are doing it. I think in an effort to contain the monster, the military uses everything it can in its arsenal. I think they turn to biological weaponry to kill the monster. In an effort to save the rest of the world they decide to destroy or contain the area formely known as Central Park. Think about it. Since terrorism is on all our minds one of the things we have come to be terrified of is biological weapons getting loose or detonating in a city. This I think is why the military is there and why I think they are trying to cover it up. Just my 2 cents

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Definatly a possibility. I think it would make an interesting twist if it isn't the big scary monster who destroys NYC, but our own paranoia, fear and heavyhanded approach to terrorists monsters.

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rers613 wrote:
I don't think the monster(s) are infecting the humans, I think the humans are doing it. I think in an effort to contain the monster, the military uses everything it can in its arsenal. I think they turn to biological weaponry to kill the monster. In an effort to save the rest of the world they decide to destroy or contain the area formely known as Central Park. Think about it. Since terrorism is on all our minds one of the things we have come to be terrified of is biological weapons getting loose or detonating in a city. This I think is why the military is there and why I think they are trying to cover it up. Just my 2 cents


You know, I think that is a really good theory, and it seems very Abramsesque -- having the coldly rational government decide to cut their losses and accept some human casualties to destroy the monster. Has my vote.

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Re: [SPEC] Marlena
(Her fate, as a focal point in trailer, etc.)

Woogy wrote:
I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, but I mainly want to focus on 1:30 to about 1:40 in the new trailer. First off, we see Marlena surrounded in darkness, with little to no ambient sound.


just to point once again that marlena is not alone in that frame. anyone whose actually gone to the theater to see it will tell you that. heres some crappy screengrabs off youtube to futher illustrate.

dark JFTeran vid:


slightly more defined version:


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rers613 wrote:
I don't think the monster(s) are infecting the humans, I think the humans are doing it. I think in an effort to contain the monster, the military uses everything it can in its arsenal. I think they turn to biological weaponry to kill the monster. In an effort to save the rest of the world they decide to destroy or contain the area formely known as Central Park. Think about it. Since terrorism is on all our minds one of the things we have come to be terrified of is biological weapons getting loose or detonating in a city. This I think is why the military is there and why I think they are trying to cover it up. Just my 2 cents


A good theory! In this case I'm still inclined to think chemical warfare rather than biological warfare.

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Based on the style of hair and body build, wouldn't you say that the woman silhouetted in the one shot with the person in the biohazard suit trying to restrain her is Marlena?

That woman, if you watch closely, is basically exploding.

In the better quality recording of the trailer (where you can see the people with Marlena in the tunnel) you can actually hear sounds like the breaking bones and rupturing of her body. It would seem that the 'infection' could be a parasitic sort of thing, perhaps even larval. It would be pushing the bounds of reality to have a being that can gestate quite that fast, but it's not actually so far from possible as to be out of bounds for a sci-fi oriented movie like this. Considering how relatively debilitating this 'infection' seems to be in a short period of time, something growing really quickly and feeding on her from the inside makes some sense. Also makes for a cool exploding chick scene. Twisted Evil
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Marlena's veins bulging?

Using the new Cloverfield set pictures that seem to be depicting the scene in question, I noticed something wasn't "normal" about Marlena's exposed chest in one of them. I took the liberty to run a couple of image filters that enhance edges, and this is what I found:



Whoa, what's going on there? I decided to overlay the new image with a screen filter, and came up with this:



It seems like her veins are bulging grotesquely, starting from the point of her shoulder injury -- perhaps from an infection of some sort?

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Saw that too - wasn't sure if it was really there or not. Looks cool!

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Euchre wrote:
Also makes for a cool exploding chick scene. Twisted Evil


I lurrrve it! LOL

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Invasive Waterbear Reproduction

Waterbears reproducing like mad in the warmth of her circulatory system.

Oh oh, there's one of the bears behind me!
A Terrapin Bear!

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I saw the trailer in the theater and I can tell you that the figure in the background is the girl with the dark complexion and the healthy chest dancing at the party. What you don't see from these screen shots is another girl to the left of the girl in the background who does not look like a zombie/mini-grumpypants/hazmat-martian.

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 Re: Marlena's veins bulging?

Evil wrote:
Using the new Cloverfield set pictures that seem to be depicting the scene in question, I noticed something wasn't "normal" about Marlena's exposed chest in one of them. I took the liberty to run a couple of image filters that enhance edges, and this is what I found:



Whoa, what's going on there? I decided to overlay the new image with a screen filter, and came up with this:



It seems like her veins are bulging grotesquely, starting from the point of her shoulder injury -- perhaps from an infection of some sort?

More questions!


I'm curious about what that orange pencil/dart/poison-quill thing is stuck in the center girl's chest!



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