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[SPEC] Realistic causes for expanding body like in trailer?
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CapnZ
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I think it looks like the guy on the left pulls her back, and the guy on the right jams something into her.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:57 am
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Sanfam
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I don't exactly understand where the "It's a jacket" crowd is coming from. Just watch the HD footage and it becomes painfully clear that it is indeed the woman expanding very rapidly.

While most of this expansion is in the upper torso, there is some in the lower, as evidenced by the growth of the legs. This would not happen if it were a jacket. Second, think of how any modern women's top is designed. It is a combination of fabrics with thicker boundaries on the outermost edges which are typically less elastic or simply non-elastic. When the shadowed figure expands, this occurs in the midsection, moving slightly down as it reaches the limits of the material and then appears to perform a second bulging. Likely, this is where the containing fabric breaks and further expansion is allowed.

Second, there is no motion that can be observed where either of the hazmat-suits are doing anything but supporting her. While doing this, something appears to go wrong and she twists, pulling the right-side hazmat suit in as she does. There is no visible arm, nor any reason to even logically conclude that this individual is doing anything whatsoever.

I also see no evidence of any "little monsters" being spawned here. As mentioned before, it seems more like a case of something blood-borne rapidly producing gas or some sort of extremely rapid tissue inflamation leading to tearing of the flesh. The only case I can even come close to thinking of here is in visualizing a heavyweight lifting champion who has taken a few too many steroids. When the muscle tissue begins to expand beyond the tolerances of the tissue itself, it can burst violently. This is not a pretty sight at all and can result in something visually similar to a small explosive charge going off somewhere inside the muscles.

And sure, there may be some vague link to reality in this film, but I highly doubt we're going to find that this expansion is the result of a realistic infection of some sort. Realism is slow and steady (whether steady is linear or exponential). This is blindingly fast. I think it is best that we just consider settling on the fact that we are dealing with a fictional movie which is likely taking a number of scientific liberties to bring us an experience which will shock us with something we simply would not expect from a real world. It's clearly something unknown and violent. The splattering made that part clear.

Edit: Something just occurred to me. Perhaps the shadowed woman was actually injected with something earlier, as another image in a thread I cannot remember may have indicated. It could be possible that this addition to her system interacted in some way with whatever contaminants were in her bloodstream and caused this violent growth. Just a thought.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:58 am
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Aurigan
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Sanfam wrote:
I don't exactly understand where the "It's a jacket" crowd is coming from. Just watch the HD footage and it becomes painfully clear that it is indeed the woman expanding very rapidly.

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Edit: Something just occurred to me. Perhaps the shadowed woman was actually injected with something earlier, as another image in a thread I cannot remember may have indicated. It could be possible that this addition to her system interacted in some way with whatever contaminants were in her bloodstream and caused this violent growth. Just a thought.


I agree with most of this. I think we're pretty far removed from reality here, why are we trying to find realistic ways to explain someone exploding? Come on, you're watching someone rapidly expand outwards and they play a gory sound effect. She's screaming. How is a jacket going to explain bulging outward expansion? How would a jacket, if it were billowing outwards, maintain being stuck straight out to the side, and at two different perfectly smooth bulges? It can't. Hello there, gravity! The jacket would be hanging down, not expanding outwards. It's not a jacket, so sorry.

Nor is it some kind of life vest, containment unit, or suit. If it were, you would see it. Look at her, she's skinny. There's no extra bulk on her. How would you fit some sort of containment suit, which happens to be very form-fitting, on to a struggling woman. It ain't a plug suit.

This movie isn't about what's humanly possible. It's about the monster/s, which are not possible. It's not "hey, we have some sort of magical suit technology!" while there's a huge monster. It's "we have normal technology, this monster and parasite is not normal." The chestburster in Alien wasn't about how humanly possible it was to have a parasitic lifeform in your gut. It was normal humans versus a supernatural creature. We = normal. Monsters = not normal.

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Chrizzy
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Although, not normal doesn't automatically mean not realistic. As much realism as possible is a needed part of the equation in order to get the audience involved.
We need to rethink the idea that not normal = not realistic. An asteroid hitting the earth isn't normal (at least, not today), but it's definitely realistic. The Yellowstone supervolcano going boom isn't normal, but it's realistic. Mutations and monstrous animals aren't normal, but they're realistic (think of the dinosaurs, or the many types of massive mammals that have existed).

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