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Caerwiden
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Sigrada wrote:
Hello. I haven't really posted here before but you might remember that old Behemoth, Leviathan, Ziz theory I made (Posted originally on 4chan's /tele/ text board on July 15. The original is still available at http://dis.4chan.org/read/tele/1184513886/1-40 , and I was quite surprised it actually started spreading from there). Of course all the factors in that theory turned out to be gigantic coincidences but that theory is not why I am posting here.

I just felt like pointing out that everyone, or most people anyway, seem to have gotten a wrong idea of how the monster is positioned in that brief glimpse we get. For instance, people seem to think that the monster is moving forward, or that we see the back of it's head, and that we see it's back legs, and the bizarre movement of the back legs makes people think the monster is insect-like. This is, however, untrue.

Though I speculated this in the original trailer, all these cool non-shaking gifs people have made have really proved my point. The creature is, infact, moving backwards. The legs we see are it's front legs. And we quite clearly get to see it's head. And the monster is.... a really big goddamn turtle. What the hell, J.J?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5116/monstr2yf4.jpg

So some proof. This first image is the first sharpest image of the monster and the picture people usually look at the most, while trying to guess what the monster is all about. In black lines I have marked out the countours of the creature. The red line is what people think is what the creature is shaped like, but in reality the shell is round like a turtle shell, might not be obvious in this picture, but the brightened up version that was recently posted here makes that quite clear. The front leg looks also totally natural this way. We can also see a very small portion of the creature's head on the bottom left, more on that to come.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/972/monstr15qo1.jpg

This second image is from the middle of the animation. The monster has moved a bit more backwards, I have again drawn out the approximate contours of the creature. If you look at the movement of the front leg on the gif between these two images, you can see it is quite natural for something pushing itself backwards. Also, the head is well visible in this image, though some smoke is in the way and it's quite hard to understand it is the head. I have drawn the line by looking at the backwards gif and observing the movement of the head. However, the third pic shows it all best.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5702/monstr1su8.jpg

In this one, we can clearly see the head in it's entirety, eyes, nose and everything. And the rest is just approximate since it's all behind the building by now.

To really make sense of the creature, just look at the last frame of the gif and try to think the head is there (not that hard, the contours are so easily comprehendable) and imagine the rest of the body to move according to that. If you do that, everything about the shape of the monster and the way it's moving makes perfect sense. So what this entire glimpse is all about is the monster pushing itself slightly backwards in order to look down the street.

Thanks.


I really don't see a head where you think it is, if I look at it as if it's backing up then I 'can' see a sort of Isopod type thing.

Seriously, turn your brightness, contrast and gamma up, I think you're seeing faces in the smoke of the demolished buildings.

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 		I do not see a turtle at all. I went frame by frame and cut out the clearly visible parts of the monster and pasted them together. I cannot make out the face, hands, feet, back, or if it has a tail. I hope the rest of it looks cool and hope it has a very scary looking face and mouth with lots of teeth.
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 		HD Monster Footage
May be getting closer...
From the clip that opens this thread, I think Caerwiden (p.3 of this thread, bottom) may have the closest hypothesis yet as to what we're seeing. I'm becoming more convinced that the creature's reptilian-looking head emerges from behind the buildings on the left side of the street at the very end of the clip. The snout emerges immediately to the right of the street light, and its right eye appears from behind the building on the last frame of the clip. The snout/head is turning upward and to our right (its left) at the very end. The rest of what we see is the neck, shoulder, and left foreleg of the beast as it pivots/turns to its left (our right) on its left foreleg. It is more or less facing us. What some have described as a pelvic area may be more like an armpit, to the right of the head and between the head and the foreleg. Extending upward and to the right from the head, behind the buildings on the right side of the street, may be a massive body that we only see a small part of in this shot.

As for the "shell," I'm not so sure that it's just a massive hump, or perhaps some other type of armour or other plating. The whole thing is starting to resemble a massive stegosaurus. (Recall Jurassic Park II/ The Lost World - could it swing a massive spiked tail hard enough to tear off the SOL head and swat it all the way to Manhattan?)

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 		When I try and see that, I see it, but when I try not to I don't. I don't think there are enough clear frames here for any sort of definitive answer. I just keep confusing myself. Smile

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Caerwiden
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 		Re: HD Monster Footage
May be getting closer...
furi161 wrote:
From the clip that opens this thread, I think Caerwiden (p.3 of this thread, bottom) may have the closest hypothesis yet as to what we're seeing. I'm becoming more convinced that the creature's reptilian-looking head emerges from behind the buildings on the left side of the street at the very end of the clip. The snout emerges immediately to the right of the street light, and its right eye appears from behind the building on the last frame of the clip. The snout/head is turning upward and to our right (its left) at the very end. The rest of what we see is the neck, shoulder, and left foreleg of the beast as it pivots/turns to its left (our right) on its left foreleg. It is more or less facing us. What some have described as a pelvic area may be more like an armpit, to the right of the head and between the head and the foreleg. Extending upward and to the right from the head, behind the buildings on the right side of the street, may be a massive body that we only see a small part of in this shot.

As for the "shell," I'm not so sure that it's just a massive hump, or perhaps some other type of armour or other plating. The whole thing is starting to resemble a massive stegosaurus. (Recall Jurassic Park II/ The Lost World - could it swing a massive spiked tail hard enough to tear off the SOL head and swat it all the way to Manhattan?)


Think you got the wrong name there.

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Sigrada wrote:


In this one, we can clearly see the head in it's entirety, eyes, nose and everything. And the rest is just approximate since it's all behind the building by now ... the monster pushing itself slightly backwards in order to look down the street.


You are exactly right Sigrada. And today I will prove it. Video coming in a bit... It was like one of those pictures hidden within a picture. I stared at it enough this morning that I see not only that but some other supporting evidence. Smile

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SlushoLover wrote:
Sigrada wrote:


In this one, we can clearly see the head in it's entirety, eyes, nose and everything. And the rest is just approximate since it's all behind the building by now ... the monster pushing itself slightly backwards in order to look down the street.


You are exactly right Sigrada. And today I will prove it. Video coming in a bit... It was like one of those pictures hidden within a picture. I stared at it enough this morning that I see not only that but some other supporting evidence. Smile


Okay, I see this now but I still don't think it's right.

What would be the right leg would have to be connected to the thing's neck and bent at a weird angle, it's left leg is nowhere to be seen.

I think that's a knee.

Plus, it would look 'adorable' if it looked like a turtle. If that is it's eye then that doesn't scare me, I'm expecting this thing to be actually creepy and scary, not cute.

Plus it would totally rip off Gamora, I think JJ has more imagination than that.

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 		i am moreso going to agree with Headman's picture then the tricerotops. There is clearly no face there.

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 		Headman's reconstruction up there is too compelling for me to buy some four legged turtosaur, and no, I don't personally buy a spiked tail taking out the head of the SOL and leaving marks on the city buildings like the poster suggests. This sucker keeps his pimp hand strong, in my opinion.

I do think we're getting an idea of its height scale, though - I would pitch it taller than Lady Lib, but not by loads. If you knew the height of the buildings in the shots where we've seen it (and, optionally, the poster), you could pretty much start calculating. It's realistically huge for hiding in the ocean - I mean, we can't frigging see giant octopi all the time but we know they're there.

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 		That looks like smoke, nothing more.

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 		I've seen four different overlaid drawings of the head in four different places.

Again, you will see what the voices in your head tell you to see. We won't know for sure until the monster is revealed in its entirety. And that will be either on movie day or as a result of this AR[G/E/Whatever].

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 		Ok I'm not making any assumptions I'm just pointing this out. If you look at the poster, the monster makes some serious marks on the buildings on both sides of the trail. So obviously he's to wide for that path. So the monster walking foward isn't a possibility cuz he would knock down those buildings.

However, if he was walking sideways and looking at the camera you can see some definite resemblances to the Giant Isopods people have been speaking about.

http://a686.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/57/l_7c6b4464ed6e2d7b12ce7c0664931f5d.jpg

There's a link to a little Painting I did. Just an idea.

And yeah if you assume the the CG isn't that great and that it will get better, it could possibly look even more like an Isopod.

The biggest thing is the eyes. There is a giant ball of light before it moves. Which could possibly be the eye. This would also explain the two "Eyes" we see in the horse and buggy scene. And the "Monster" in the explosion scene.

Well I hope this helps.

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 		posted yet?
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/11/cloverfield_monster_still_unde.php

the vid is quite gud.
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e2c wrote:
posted yet?
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/11/cloverfield_monster_still_unde.php

the vid is quite gud.


Heh, that's actually my video. Very Happy

I have no idea why it's still playing. I've doubled their free account bandwidth limit at this point. It should be showing the "bandwidth used up" message. I'm half tempted to pop up an advert for my business on there since about two dozen movie sites around the world have linked to it... Think that would "cheese" them off?

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SlushoLover wrote:
Sigrada wrote:


In this one, we can clearly see the head in it's entirety, eyes, nose and everything. And the rest is just approximate since it's all behind the building by now ... the monster pushing itself slightly backwards in order to look down the street.


You are exactly right Sigrada. And today I will prove it. Video coming in a bit... It was like one of those pictures hidden within a picture. I stared at it enough this morning that I see not only that but some other supporting evidence. Smile


Dude, it's wrong. There are CLEARLY legs where your "head" and "face" is supposed to be.

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