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[SPEC] ParafFun Recall
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McPhearson
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 		And next, on "Cooking with CloverfieldClues"... Razz

Something just makes me wonder why they would bring up this recall so close to the Hack incident if it DIDN'T have to do with The Cause. Everything points to a jack (not, I should note, a gamejack, but rather, The Cause jacking into the Tagruato operation).

Anybody else has a better idea, I'm happy to hear about it.

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Matthew.Davidlane
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 		I think that maybe the present Teddy gave to jamie has something to do with this. What it is I dont know

thats just my 2cents, may have nothing to do with it

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 		After hearing the message, i am of the view that it says "try and support you" as opposed to "find and support you". The accent indeed makes it hard to understand that bit, but i am certain it is try and support you. The latter, find and support you, sounds exciting but i doubt it is said in the message.

The message doesn't give any specifics as to whats beenr recalled. From the tagruato site, it says it manufactures many products, it could be any one of them.

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CloverfieldClues.com wrote:
Paraffin wax is often added to chocolate, especially when dipping things in melted chocolate, like strawberries.

The addition of paraffin to the chocolate candy gives it a nice, glossy finish and helps it remain solid at room temperature.



I thought of the flavor "Chocolate Rage" while reading your comment.

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 		I posted this in another theard, but anyway, I found this Pdf that I`m sure is OOG, but now that we talk about the recall and candles, this talks about chemical hygiene and the OSHA standars for exposure on these chemicals, and the theshold limit value, that the employer should keep their eyes on. It talks about Paraffun Wax Fumes and the TLV is 2% that is the allowed exposure to the fume. I couldn`t find anything else in the OSHA website, or if it is a typing mistake, but I thought it was very interesting. It is on page 112.
http://www.dickinson.edu/departments/ehs/DICKINSON%20COLLEGE%20CHEMICAL%20HYGIENE%20PLAN.pdf

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McPhearson
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 		Okay... now to reply to the many responses this thread has received.

RE Bacon: Again, you're asking questions that, unfortunately, we can answer for you yet. As you can see by the SPEC tag in this topic's title, this is just an idea, a theory, with evidence to back it up. However, because this is only a theory and not a plan, I can't answer every single question you throw at us, and yes, that includes "why would you wanna eat wax?" As for tying it in with sea nectar, I really don't know where you're going with that. I'm not saying those two aren't connected, but still...

RE Matthew: I had forgotten about that. You may just be right. Good thinking.

RE Keeno: Okay, all due respect, you're going to complete opposite of everything I've read and/or been told. So until your speculation is confirmed by several others, please allow me to keep on this road. If you are found to be right, I will be more than happy to adapt. (NOTE: I just don't want to make the mistake that everyone did when they tried to hear what it was Jamie whispered in her second video. There was so much hot air thrown around with that thing, only to realize she wasn't saying anything important at all.)

RE SmartMart: Wow. I didn't even see that connection. I don't know if it means anything, but that sure is a funny thought either way.

RE CCarol: That's alot of research you've seemed to do. And while you may (and I say "may" loosely) be on to perhaps something with the fumes, I'm trying to go from the edible angle if at all possible.

I really like these ideas you guys are throwing around. Please keep it up.

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McPhearson
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 		Sorry about the double post...
But after reading the Nectar article apparently written by Dr Abe, I've come to find that, in the second paragraph, something is of interest in terms of this theory I have:

Last month, [inadvertently] coinciding with public pressure from the FDA [regarding]plans to finally import Slusho! to the United States, my department at the [Ravaille] Research Center realised its own preliminary study on Slusho!'s mystery [ingredient]. Despite slight food coloring changes to affect color and, in the case of [Chocolate] Rage, texture, our tests uncovered some surprisingly recognizable culprits.

Look then to the description of ParafFun

One of the many byproducts of our Petroleum reservoir is paraffin wax, an alkane with dozens of handy uses in your day to day life! Edible, malleable, colorable, and a fine electrical insulator. ParafFun! Wax Distributors meets all your wax needs.

And you'll see that one of the things it is able to do, is color. Perhaps, as Dr. Abe's article suggests, ParafFun wax is used in Slusho! for not only a sort of food coloring, but also (at least, in the case of Chocolate Rage... props again to SmartMart if there turns out to be a connection) texture.

Right there could be the reason that people consume ParafFun wax: it's already mixed into the Slusho! as a main ingredient! Maybe people who are eating what I think could be the poisoned wax, maybe these people don't even realize it. After all, I don't know everything that's been put into the Sprite that I'm drinking right now, do I?

Ah. Maybe this means something.

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 		Magic Shell (smuckers?) has wax in it, right? I remember that freaking me out once, but then I didn't really care because it was so awesome.

Paraffin wax is also used as an emollient rather frequently.

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Q. What is paraffin wax and why is it in my chocolate candy recipe? Is it edible? Where can I find it?

A. Paraffin wax, classified as a chemical preservative, is widely used on fruits, vegetables, and candy to make them shiny and pretty as well as to retard moisture loss and spoilage. Waxes are made from vegetable oils, palm oil derivatives, and synthetic resins, as well as other materials. Some people, notably those who are allergic to aspirin, may be sensitive to many waxes, depending on their ingredients.

Yes, it is edible. Paraffin wax is often added to chocolates. The addition of paraffin to the chocolate candy gives it a nice, glossy finish and helps it remain solid at room temperature. Be aware that paraffin is flammable when overheated, so warm it gently in a double-boiler or microwave only to the point where it is melted.

You can find paraffin wax, also sometimes called baker's wax or canning wax, in your grocery store where canning jars and supplies are sold. Paraffin is still commonly used (although not recommended) to seal home-canned jellies and jams. However, some paraffin is not intended to be ingested, such as that sold for candlemaking, so check the label.

Gulf Wax Paraseal Canning Wax, Household Paraffin Wax is a popular brand of paraffin used for canning and chocolate-making.

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konamouse wrote:
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Q. What is paraffin wax and why is it in my chocolate candy recipe? Is it edible? Where can I find it?

A. Paraffin wax, classified as a chemical preservative, is widely used on fruits, vegetables, and candy to make them shiny and pretty as well as to retard moisture loss and spoilage. Waxes are made from vegetable oils, palm oil derivatives, and synthetic resins, as well as other materials. Some people, notably those who are allergic to aspirin, may be sensitive to many waxes, depending on their ingredients.

Yes, it is edible. Paraffin wax is often added to chocolates. The addition of paraffin to the chocolate candy gives it a nice, glossy finish and helps it remain solid at room temperature. Be aware that paraffin is flammable when overheated, so warm it gently in a double-boiler or microwave only to the point where it is melted.

You can find paraffin wax, also sometimes called baker's wax or canning wax, in your grocery store where canning jars and supplies are sold. Paraffin is still commonly used (although not recommended) to seal home-canned jellies and jams. However, some paraffin is not intended to be ingested, such as that sold for candlemaking, so check the label.

Gulf Wax Paraseal Canning Wax, Household Paraffin Wax is a popular brand of paraffin used for canning and chocolate-making.

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Keep in mind that baking wax is not made from petroleum, while parafFun does contain petroleum. I think the wax being described as 'edible' is important; however, Ravaille Research Center's report would have definitely uncovered the presence of petroleum in the product.

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hurrikenux
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 		Actually, many people ingest Petroleum in the form of Vaseline...

Seriously

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McPhearson
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 		I like how chocolate keeps popping up, especially after SmartMart brought into the conversation Chocolate Rage.

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 		Okay, first to McPhearson: My questions about eating wax are purely hypothetical, and mean nothing. Think nothing of them.

Also, I don't think we should rule out the possible link of sea nectar to this wax recall. Katei no mitsu has been a very integral part of this ARG, and it makes no sense for it to suddenly disappear in such a pivotal and coincidental moment, particularly when, as we've just discovered, through the Chocolate Rage's texture (keep in mind that Dr. Abe's article is on sea nectar, not on paraffin wax). Therefore, I think it's a very logical explanation that it's the sea nectar, not the Cause, that's causing the recall.

Then again, we must also note that the recall is for ParafFun products, NOT Slusho. Therefore, you can factor Chocolate Rage out of this.

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 		hypothetical with possible spoilers
Hyp

I don't recall the exact combination, but after reading what the "sea nectar" could be used for, and then reading up on parasites, I think that combining the right elements of the "sea nectar" with the parafin made out of the sea nectar, the slusho drink, and alchohol or nail polish will trigger a biological response from within a host. The slusho just is the missing chemical "trigger" of the parasite(s) that are in the "sea nectar" or the fuel source/mother's milk that gives the parasite the strength to overcome our own natural body defenses.

The recall may involve the mixing of the wax (with eggs/parasite embedded inside) with slusho drinks or with alchohol, but missing the cooked sea nectar that is the final element.

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 		As I've usually written in my old post (http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22206), there are at least two ingredients of Slusho! that would be produced by ParafFUN:

D-pantothenol,
and
potassium benzoate

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