Return to Unfiction unforum
 a.r.g.b.b 
FAQ FAQ   Search Search 
 
Welcome!
New users, PLEASE read these forum guidelines. New posters, SEARCH before posting and read these rules before posting your killer new campaign. New players may also wish to peruse the ARG Player Tutorial.

All users must abide by the Terms of Service.
Website Restoration Project
This archiving project is a collaboration between Unfiction and Sean Stacey (SpaceBass), Brian Enigma (BrianEnigma), and Laura E. Hall (lehall) with
the Center for Immersive Arts.
Announcements
This is a static snapshot of the
Unfiction forums, as of
July 23, 2017.
This site is intended as an archive to chronicle the history of Alternate Reality Games.
 
The time now is Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:28 am
All times are UTC - 4 (DST in action)
View posts in this forum since last visit
View unanswered posts in this forum
Calendar
 Forum index » Archive » Archive: General » Low-Volume Games
[WF][Trailhead] Whitechapel Foundation: Open Cases
View previous topicView next topic
Page 9 of 64 [947 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, ..., 62, 63, 64  Next
Author Message
Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

New discovery and more Speculation

surfzoned wrote:
Ethan wrote:
Distribution: WF Open Cases Correspondents

RE: MSG2

Based on various E-mails and comments regarding deciphering the message, it appears that the most likely possible word orders, assuming a normal grammatical structure in American English (which we realize is a big assumption), are:

1) The wise king was only three.

2) The wise king commanded only three.

3) The wise king only commanded three.

4) Wise three commanded only the king. [seems like a stretch, but possible - EG]

We would like to know your thoughts regarding which, if any, of these is the most likely word order and your reasons why.


Well that's a tough decision to make without concrete proof. So whatever you guys decide is fine with me. However, going back over all this one more time, I discovered this:

Code:
T H E W I S E K I N G W A S O N L Y T H R E E
E N L I L A H A S U E R U S W . W A L L A C E


To add more confusion the sentence could be: Was only three: Enlil the Wise, King Ahasuerus, W. Wallace.

The connection between the three could be God --> King --> Knight/Soldier

(Note: This is still only speculation. But maybe, it will help someone else to see something or just cause even more confusion.)

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:06 am
Last edited by Sylvia on Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:08 am; edited 1 time in total
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Andh
Boot

Joined: 21 Jun 2007
Posts: 14
Location: Belgium

Re: I was curious
so I emailed Ethan

Hi everyone.

Sylvia wrote:
This is what I sent to ethanagrant at gmail.com
Quote:
On Dec 1, 2007 5:37 AM, Sylvia wrote:

Hi Ethan,

(...)

But I did try to solve it using the Simson Line and got a
strange line of alphabet that looks something like this: LILSUREUSW.WALLACHASUERUSECALLAW.WEN
(not exact- memory eludes me at the moment) I know that's not right, but regardless it looks an awful like an url.
for example: somethingx.whitechapelfoundation.org. This maybe way off base but any light you can shed on
the matter will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Sylvia



Which point on the circle did you use to get that result? I wanted to try to draw a Simson line too, so I was just wondering how you did it.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:03 am
 View user's profile MSN Messenger
 Back to top 
Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

I started at the bottom center approx. at the center L in ENLIL then traveled to the right making the first letter to fall on the line an "L"

What I have above is totally wrong. I couldn't remember exactly what I had gotten and couldn't read my own notes and did not won't to redo it and was not exactly sure if I missed some of them. I did my best using an image editing software, because, right now, my printer is totally out of ink and I don't have a compass or a protractor.

The first part "LILSUREUSW." and the last ".WEN" I'm almost positive is right. It's the stuff in the center, "WALLACHASUERUSECALLAW" that I messed up on big time.

Below are some examples of how I did it.
oc0701_6_letter2_5.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   491.9KB
 Viewed   84 Time(s)

oc0701_6_letter2_5.jpg

oc0701_6_letter2_4.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   489.97KB
 Viewed   88 Time(s)

oc0701_6_letter2_4.jpg


PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:57 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

update

new post at http://ethangrant.wordpress.com/

http://ethangrant.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/what-time-is-it/

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:51 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
mortality
Unfettered


Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 428

Here's the text of the update to Ethan's personal blog
Quote:
…'cause it feels like Wednesday morning.

After all the excitement of the past week, with it's extreme OJT [ed. on-the-job-training] on OC [ed. Open Cases] and some pretty lengthy meetings on other stuff, followed by a fairly tame round of visiting a couple of the old haunts last night (and into the wee hours of this morning) I have just awoken to find that I feel at least 78% human. So, I shall now brew some coffee and spend a couple hours with my friends from Hamburg (up to number 6 of the 8 that appeared the first year).

Also, got a note from Sylvia with a little more insight on that Simson line idea related to MSG3. Can't really rule anything out at this point, but that kind of complex math just seems out of place next to the fairly simple nature of the puzzle in MSG2 [ed. typo, means MSG3](as if I solved it, right? Very Happy ). My thoughts only, Christopher is not discounting the Simson idea. Regardless, though, all the talk about geometry got me to thinking about how common math, and especially geometry, is in much of what we run across. And that reminded me of the memo that came across from Shannon last week. Didn't even get a chance to read it, but there was a diagram of some sort on it. Have to take a look at that tonight too if I can.

Hopefully tomorrow will be at least a little more calm.


A few thoughts. The memo probably isn't significant to us, but maybe someone should follow-up just to make sure. The Open Cases are pretty clearly Ethan's baby with Christopher's oversight. Have they sought opinions from any of the other employees?

I think that confirms we should probably view this as a logic puzzle more than a mathematical puzzle. But given that there was a William Wallace who helped develop Simson Lines, it might be too soon to give up.

Perhaps the significance is that we only need to look for Simson Lines having to do with Enlil and Ahasuerus, the two names that have a connection.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:53 pm
 View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger
 Back to top 
surfzoned
Decorated


Joined: 30 Jun 2007
Posts: 237
Location: City of Denial, Nation of Sheeple

And now on a completely unrelated note.

While researching W.Wallace (the mathematician) I noticed that he was friends with a Mr. Playfair. I'm not sure if its significant but there is a Playfair cipher, which from the letters of our words in MSG3, that might work. I played around with it a bit but finally gave up after a few variation attempts.
Chances are that the Playfair cipher is a dead end but at least its something =)
_________________
"CypherMonkey: A person required to do many hours of cryptology for free at the cost of MANY braincells."

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:38 pm
 View user's profile Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
 Back to top 
Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

throwing out some more ideas

I agree the Simson line, was on the wrong track. But see if you guys can get anything out of this.

Code:

W.WALLACE
WAS
WISE

AHASUERUS 
THE               
KING

ENLIL
ONLY
THREE

(edit:corrected spelling, dangit, I had an extra r in ahasuerus)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:47 am
Last edited by Sylvia on Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
THESB
Boot

Joined: 22 Feb 2007
Posts: 17

There is a new letter!

http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?p=3
oc0701_11_msg1_env_nsd.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   364.68KB
 Viewed   84 Time(s)

oc0701_11_msg1_env_nsd.jpg

oc0701_10_msg1_env_frnt.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   328.84KB
 Viewed   90 Time(s)

oc0701_10_msg1_env_frnt.jpg

oc0701_9_msg1_env_bck.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   360.42KB
 Viewed   89 Time(s)

oc0701_9_msg1_env_bck.jpg

oc0701_7_msg1_frnt.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   300.56KB
 Viewed   82 Time(s)

oc0701_7_msg1_frnt.jpg


PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:45 am
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
petunia
Unfettered

Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 616
Location: MS

Confused Good Lord.

First thoughts:

There's a second piece of tape on this one, on the side. What for?
This letter was addressed by the same person as the first letter.
The "1" has a circle around it. So we have a circle, a caret, and a triangle.

On this letter, just counting the number of characters per line (not including the last line):

5-4,
4-6,
7,
9
9.
6,5 (6 underlined)
12 (7 underlined, then 2 underlined)
9

Totals: 21 big Xs, 51 little xs, 4 #s. 8 lines total; lines 2, 4, 6 & 7 are indented.

Possible connections with what we already have: "commanded" and "Ahasuerus" each have 9 letters. "W.Wallace" has 9 characters if you count the period. "Three" and "Enlil" each have five letters.

It doesn't look like this is going to be a simple thing where, for example, the big Xs could be vowels and the little xs could be consonants, because then the next to last line would have 10 consonants in a row.

The 8 lines could really be 4 long lines that wrapped around and indented themselves. Or it could be a poem - does this structure look familiar to anybody?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:22 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
pipakin
Boot

Joined: 28 Nov 2007
Posts: 13

had been looking at it and came up with this crazy thing. (This is most definitely wrong):

Only-king,
only-??????,
Wallace,
commanded
Ahasuerus.
Enlil, wise,
???????????
Ahasuerus.

but i think the X may represent accent, where the "x" is an unaccented letter. I dunno. Also, I was ignoring the #, going on a hunch.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:42 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
THESB
Boot

Joined: 22 Feb 2007
Posts: 17

Having no storyline and no questions to be answered sure makes these puzzles a bit harder to solve. I've been kicking the idea around that this may be binary, but the # and indentations make for a lot of combinations. Hopefully the answers to these questions will bring on more questions, and hopefully a story.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:45 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
wkelly42
Veteran

Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Posts: 147

Off-hand, I'd say that the other tape was meant to tape it to the door. Didn't work too well, and the envelope was lost.
_________________
Playing: Hallucinine

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:47 pm
 View user's profile Visit poster's website
 Back to top 
Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

I'm curious what it means where it says
Quote:
The # was not a #.


What does it mean? Confused

Gotta run, be back in about 6 to 8 hours.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:03 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
zizka
Decorated


Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 157
Location: Basement of the Alamo

petunia wrote:
The 8 lines could really be 4 long lines that wrapped around and indented themselves. Or it could be a poem - does this structure look familiar to anybody?


Good idea.

Seems like we need ot find text to fit the character length. my initial guess is that the capital Xs may indicate letters that spell a message. If so, the #s may be word breaks. That schema gives a one letter word, 14-letter word, one-letter, one-letter, and four-letter. Despite my fondness for four-letter words, that combination seems unlikely to produce meaning.

If we're right about it being about finding the proper text, given the lenght, then what of the #s and what of the underlining? They appear to have been done with a straightedge, for what it's worth.

ps: I told you that tape was useless for any purpose but masking. Razz There's a reason no one's written books about the myriad uses of blue painters' tape...


ETA:

Anyone think the punctuation is meant to be grammatical? If so, we have some oddly constructed sentences: "word-word, word-word, word, word word. word, word, word word." That kind of idiosyncracy seems to point to a poem.


Another idea: The capped Xs mark the beginnings of words. Not sure what that means about the #s, the dashes, or the underlining, but it would explain why the first letter of each line and the first letter after punctuation (only occurs on line 6) are capitalized.

Perhaps the #s stand for the homophone of a number--"won," "to," "too," "tin," "for," "sics," "thou sand" (for the old english clam digger, perhaps) are not #s.

Just thinking into the forum. Perhaps something will shake loose.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:15 pm
Last edited by zizka on Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:43 pm; edited 3 times in total
 View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
 ICQ Number 
 Back to top 
mortality
Unfettered


Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 428

My first thought was poem, especially since we have punctuation.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:37 pm
 View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger
 Back to top 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 9 of 64 [947 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, ..., 62, 63, 64  Next
View previous topicView next topic
 Forum index » Archive » Archive: General » Low-Volume Games
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group