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kwotto
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 		i'd still shoot it with a rifle or a handgun, DGAF im just gonna do what i can to atleast attempt to kill a big ass mofo running around Catfight!

do u expect the soliders to just sit there and say "o well our guns suck this tiny bullets wont do anything so no point to even try and shoot it" i hope to god they wouldnt!

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john locke wrote:
I think the key to this question is the "its alive" quote i think grumpypants was either
a, something that washed up and was believed dead (with the part on view resembling a whale or other sea creature that is known)
b, that grumpypants arrived in the city by sea as a "gift" from tagruato!
hence the delayed response from anyone inc military.
IMO it will probably be the former Smile


Hmm, possibly. It could be an unwanted pet frog that they flushed away and thought they'd never see again. Smile
Or it might be that they didn't know whether it was a capsizing ship, or whatever it was making that groaning sound, so "it's alive" would be similar to saying 'it's a monster that I am unable to identify'

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 		If the military has radar of something approaching the city whose size and shape appears to be a whale-like creature, they're not going to shoot at it with missiles, are you kidding me?
They see an obviously-organic creature, they automatically assume it's a deep sea creature and not any sort of threat. They aren't thinking "omg that could be cthuhlu ready to dominate our faces, shoot at it immediately."

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suckaH wrote:
If the military has radar of something approaching the city whose size and shape appears to be a whale-like creature, they're not going to shoot at it with missiles, are you kidding me?
They see an obviously-organic creature, they automatically assume it's a deep sea creature and not any sort of threat. They aren't thinking "omg that could be cthuhlu ready to dominate our faces, shoot at it immediately."


This is true, but it makes me wonder if the military have ever experimented with cloaking their submarines with bits of whale meat. Shocked

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 		Euchre wrote:

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If those guarding the harbor saw something going at the SoL, they could have given the military the alert quite a bit before the downtown explosion - and a good head start on response.


Yeah, a head start is nice, but it's obvious in the second trailer that it doesn't make much of a difference, ultimately. Especially since one of the soldiers says, "Whatever it is, it's winning."

I'm beginning to concur with others that have said the reason everyone keeps saying, "It's alive!" in BOTH of the trailers is NOT because a.) it looks dead/like something extinct or b.) because the phrase is a homage to old monster flicks. I think it's because the military has already exhausted all of their heavy artillery for the moment, short of nuclear warfare. Hence, why we see scene where the military is fending off the monster with smaller guns that probably won't do a bit of good, and why everyone's surprised in the convenience store that Grumpypants is still standing before the windows shatter.

I think it would be heavily ironic, though, if the monster's origins are at the hands of a Japanese company, and the U.S. ends up having to nuke NYC to finally kill Grumpypants.

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The whole mascara thing...why would she be crying? I mean, when you see a monster, unless it's about to kill you, you don't just start baling.

Maybe this hints us that someone she knew died. Jamie, perhaps?


Oh, come on! I'd start crying too if the greatest city in the world was being laid to waste by something I thought only existed in my nightmares! I'd also probably cry if I saw people I didn't even know get crushed to death by debris or Grumpypants's foot--women, children, winos, those guys that try to sell you fake Rolex's...

But that's just me.

However, I really do think the pictures of the girls crying are also caused by Jamie's death. If she gets snuffed, I hope she dies quick and painless--maybe by getting hit by one of the fireballs on the roof in the first trailer.

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If the military has radar of something approaching the city whose size and shape appears to be a whale-like creature, they're not going to shoot at it with missiles, are you kidding me?


I'm not so sure about that one. If you go under the assumption that the meaning of one of Slusho!'s "Happy Talk" phrases, "BLOOP!", is associated with the monster, then that can't be right. If you go look up "Bloop" in wikipedia, it says that the magnitude of the sound implies that the creature that made it is much bigger than even a blue whale. If I saw something bigger than a blue whale pop up on the radar, I would definitely say:


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"omg that could be cthuhlu ready to dominate our faces, shoot at it immediately."



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Katw0man wrote:
Euchre wrote:

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If those guarding the harbor saw something going at the SoL, they could have given the military the alert quite a bit before the downtown explosion - and a good head start on response.


Yeah, a head start is nice, but it's obvious in the second trailer that it doesn't make much of a difference, ultimately. Especially since one of the soldiers says, "Whatever it is, it's winning."

I'm beginning to concur with others that have said the reason everyone keeps saying, "It's alive!" in BOTH of the trailers is NOT because a.) it looks dead/like something extinct or b.) because the phrase is a homage to old monster flicks. I think it's because the military has already exhausted all of their heavy artillery for the moment, short of nuclear warfare. Hence, why we see scene where the military is fending off the monster with smaller guns that probably won't do a bit of good, and why everyone's surprised in the convenience store that Grumpypants is still standing before the windows shatter.

I think it would be heavily ironic, though, if the monster's origins are at the hands of a Japanese company, and the U.S. ends up having to nuke NYC to finally kill Grumpypants.

Oli Mango wrote:
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The whole mascara thing...why would she be crying? I mean, when you see a monster, unless it's about to kill you, you don't just start baling.

Maybe this hints us that someone she knew died. Jamie, perhaps?


Oh, come on! I'd start crying too if the greatest city in the world was being laid to waste by something I thought only existed in my nightmares! I'd also probably cry if I saw people I didn't even know get crushed to death by debris or Grumpypants's foot--women, children, winos, those guys that try to sell you fake Rolex's...

But that's just me.

However, I really do think the pictures of the girls crying are also caused by Jamie's death. If she gets snuffed, I hope she dies quick and painless--maybe by getting hit by one of the fireballs on the roof in the first trailer.

suckaH wrote:
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If the military has radar of something approaching the city whose size and shape appears to be a whale-like creature, they're not going to shoot at it with missiles, are you kidding me?


I'm not so sure about that one. If you go under the assumption that the meaning of one of Slusho!'s "Happy Talk" phrases, "BLOOP!", is associated with the monster, then that can't be right. If you go look up "Bloop" in wikipedia, it says that the magnitude of the sound implies that the creature that made it is much bigger than even a blue whale. If I saw something bigger than a blue whale pop up on the radar, I would definitely say:


Quote:
"omg that could be cthuhlu ready to dominate our faces, shoot at it immediately."


With coast-guard sized gunships?
We don't know this thing is BLOOP. Someone speculated it's bloop and sent that to slusho, which was posted on its happy talk page. I for one don't think it has anything to do with bloop.
That being said, i do agree that this thing is big. Skyscraper big. Dunno if its bigger than a blue whale, but big nonetheless. I would assume that they would double and triple check their radar if they had an organic creature that was THAT big coming toward them at high speed. I mean, the navy blowing shit up that close to NY and finding out that it was a whale would cause a LOT of commotion in this green-loving environment we live in today.

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suckaH wrote:
Katw0man wrote:
Euchre wrote:

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If those guarding the harbor saw something going at the SoL, they could have given the military the alert quite a bit before the downtown explosion - and a good head start on response.


Yeah, a head start is nice, but it's obvious in the second trailer that it doesn't make much of a difference, ultimately. Especially since one of the soldiers says, "Whatever it is, it's winning."

I'm beginning to concur with others that have said the reason everyone keeps saying, "It's alive!" in BOTH of the trailers is NOT because a.) it looks dead/like something extinct or b.) because the phrase is a homage to old monster flicks. I think it's because the military has already exhausted all of their heavy artillery for the moment, short of nuclear warfare. Hence, why we see scene where the military is fending off the monster with smaller guns that probably won't do a bit of good, and why everyone's surprised in the convenience store that Grumpypants is still standing before the windows shatter.

I think it would be heavily ironic, though, if the monster's origins are at the hands of a Japanese company, and the U.S. ends up having to nuke NYC to finally kill Grumpypants.

Oli Mango wrote:
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The whole mascara thing...why would she be crying? I mean, when you see a monster, unless it's about to kill you, you don't just start baling.

Maybe this hints us that someone she knew died. Jamie, perhaps?


Oh, come on! I'd start crying too if the greatest city in the world was being laid to waste by something I thought only existed in my nightmares! I'd also probably cry if I saw people I didn't even know get crushed to death by debris or Grumpypants's foot--women, children, winos, those guys that try to sell you fake Rolex's...

But that's just me.

However, I really do think the pictures of the girls crying are also caused by Jamie's death. If she gets snuffed, I hope she dies quick and painless--maybe by getting hit by one of the fireballs on the roof in the first trailer.

suckaH wrote:
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If the military has radar of something approaching the city whose size and shape appears to be a whale-like creature, they're not going to shoot at it with missiles, are you kidding me?


I'm not so sure about that one. If you go under the assumption that the meaning of one of Slusho!'s "Happy Talk" phrases, "BLOOP!", is associated with the monster, then that can't be right. If you go look up "Bloop" in wikipedia, it says that the magnitude of the sound implies that the creature that made it is much bigger than even a blue whale. If I saw something bigger than a blue whale pop up on the radar, I would definitely say:


Quote:
"omg that could be cthuhlu ready to dominate our faces, shoot at it immediately."


With coast-guard sized gunships?
We don't know this thing is BLOOP. Someone speculated it's bloop and sent that to slusho, which was posted on its happy talk page. I for one don't think it has anything to do with bloop.
That being said, i do agree that this thing is big. Skyscraper big. Dunno if its bigger than a blue whale, but big nonetheless. I would assume that they would double and triple check their radar if they had an organic creature that was THAT big coming toward them at high speed. I mean, the navy blowing shit up that close to NY and finding out that it was a whale would cause a LOT of commotion in this green-loving environment we live in today.


Wrong. One of the animals of the site says "Bloop!"

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OliMango wrote:

Wrong. One of the animals of the site says "Bloop!"


That's what they said, it's a HappyTalk quote.

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Slusho Addict wrote:
OliMango wrote:

Wrong. One of the animals of the site says "Bloop!"


That's what they said, it's a HappyTalk quote.


No I mean one of the...nevermind.

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OliMango wrote:
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OliMango wrote:

Wrong. One of the animals of the site says "Bloop!"


That's what they said, it's a HappyTalk quote.


No I mean one of the...nevermind.


Fair enough Smile
, I think the animal which says each quote is random, I can't remember now.

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 		I know we are not dealing with a remake but we have to take into account that there is probably alot of homages in this movie to monster movies past. Like the beast from 20,000 fathoms

I'm not sayings cloverfield is a remake of the movie but lines like It's Alive are indeed classic monster movie lines.

Anyways I got a link to a video here. I would say this trailer is an influence on JJ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTGMc-QPBlw

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 		I'm going to go out on a limb here and hope i don't get trouted. (i'm still working out the search quirks - on my end).

Maybe it threw the SoL head at something...like a copter trying to shoot it. The military was at ground level pretty quick (from what i can tell).

about the whale thing: my husband was on a destroyer back in vietnam war and they ran over a whale. "sighted whale, sank same". so not firing on a large thing that may be a whale is plausable to me.

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Katw0man wrote:

I think it's because the military has already exhausted all of their heavy artillery for the moment, short of nuclear warfare. Hence, why we see scene where the military is fending off the monster with smaller guns that probably won't do a bit of good, and why everyone's surprised in the convenience store that Grumpypants is still standing before the windows shatter.

I think it would be heavily ironic, though, if the monster's origins are at the hands of a Japanese company, and the U.S. ends up having to nuke NYC to finally kill Grumpypants.



Not sure about that.

Not sure about Marine and Naval Aviators, but in the AF, we have some pretty big conventional munitions that have some really...REALLY serious blast radius. But, however, there is the issue of using them even though this is a lose-lose situation. You can't possibly consider using them on a target, no matter the size, even though the target is destroying your second most important city.

The Army probably exhausted everything they could use. Helicopters can't exactly carry huge Air-to-Ground misslies.

But yeah, that would be some serious irony. I would die of laughter.

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TheAirman wrote:
Katw0man wrote:

I think it's because the military has already exhausted all of their heavy artillery for the moment, short of nuclear warfare. Hence, why we see scene where the military is fending off the monster with smaller guns that probably won't do a bit of good, and why everyone's surprised in the convenience store that Grumpypants is still standing before the windows shatter.

I think it would be heavily ironic, though, if the monster's origins are at the hands of a Japanese company, and the U.S. ends up having to nuke NYC to finally kill Grumpypants.



Not sure about that.

Not sure about Marine and Naval Aviators, but in the AF, we have some pretty big conventional munitions that have some really...REALLY serious blast radius. But, however, there is the issue of using them even though this is a lose-lose situation. You can't possibly consider using them on a target, no matter the size, even though the target is destroying your second most important city.

The Army probably exhausted everything they could use. Helicopters can't exactly carry huge Air-to-Ground misslies.

But yeah, that would be some serious irony. I would die of laughter.


there were some previous posts regarding the national gaurd assested available in the area. also the AF in several hours availability from NY. Not sure where those were. So much info, so little time...

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Her wrote:
about the whale thing: my husband was on a destroyer back in vietnam war and they ran over a whale. "sighted whale, sank same". so not firing on a large thing that may be a whale is plausable to me.

That's just flat funny when you think about it. I was riding in a jon-boat on a river in Florida and we ran over a gator, but a whale? Now that's a big bump!
Makes a good point though, reminding us that in reality we do encounter circumstances that can seem odd and surreal, but it still does actually happen.

Most of this assumption of the monster coming in so fast on radar or sonar assumes that the monster makes a fast approach from the get-go. It's more likely to me that if it's intent is to attack the city, it would slowly stalk it's way up on Liberty Island, then after popping out and ripping the head off of poor Lady Liberty it makes haste to Manhattan Island. It could even slink back off into the water and give the impression that it's done - with people still reeling in confusion they might not pay so much attention to it's direction of escape. They'd be just as likely to be wondering if anyone is hurt in the SoL.
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