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[TRAILHEAD?] Zetria Atrian and the Sparrow-Clam
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skywing
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 		the ol' ask the characters plan.
see, I told you everything I touch dies.
Ok, sorry 'bout the double post, but I think the statute of limitations has run out on editing.
I'm going to use the old "ask the characters because then the PMs have a way of knowing we are stuck and can help us along without acting like they are there." Aluvyn mentioned jedditor as someone to ask about the lockstone, so I'm doing just that. hopefully this'll help things along a little.
oh, and I do hope it's not dead.
EDIT:
I seem to be getting an error when I try to post a reply, is there something we need to do to post an error or is this unique?
"Database error 1! Unknown column 'post_id' in 'where clause'"

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:36 am
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feriwiccan
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 		re: asking the characters
*lurker Smile*

to skywing: I just asked Jedditor about it, and I had no trouble posting a reply. Also, I don't know if this has been said, but in the same reply page, an anonymous user posted:

Quote:
zetria atrian's cramming of knowledge related to clamming delivered to players by mail relayers immortalized always as sqbopnvt-011235813


Well, I'm a noob at the ARG stuff, and have a limited knowledge in cryptography, so forgive me if I'm stating the obvious.

My llittle observations:

"zetria atrian's cramming of knowledge related to clamming" references the title of the first email (ZETRIA ATRIAN AND THE SPARROW-CLAM).

I also find it odd that it so blatently breaks the fourth wall, so to speak, and refers to us as "players".

The code at the end of the message, I am not sure about. I input it into the "query" page, and nothing has come up. Also ROT-ing the first part gives me basically nothing, except for maybe ROT25, which is "rpanomus". And Googling that gives me nothing.

Any thoughts?

(Hope this doesn't die...)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:56 pm
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zompreacher
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 		Hi, this is my first ARG I have participated in, I was looking for one not TOO far along. I started from page one, so I caught some stuff that was ignored

1. Put rtype into the query.

2. Look at the square page again, the numbers are placed in hexagrams (star of david)
Quote:
Its numerical value is obtained from the workings of the I Ching when the Trigrams are placed in an order given in the first river map, the Ho Tu or Yellow River. The Ho Tu produces 4 squares of Hexagrams 8 x 8 in its outer values of 1 to 6, 2 to 7, 3 to 8, and 4 to 9, and these outer squares can then be symmetrically added together to give an inner central square of 5 to 10.


using that logic, we create four hexagrams
0 to 5
1 to 6
2 to 7
3 to 8
and they will add up, symmetrically to 3 to 8. (since each one is minus one, ya dig?)

Now, look at the picture on the Lo Shu square on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo_Shu_Square
The Lo Shu square was used in conjunction with a map. I immediately see no connection, but I recommend if you do.

now the square
chinese:
4 9 2
3 5 7
8 1 6

exile:
3 8 1
2 4 6
7 0 5

The dragon's shell (which is the symbol on one of the postcards) has it's dots, and they are divided into THREE pieces, each with three numbers.

we need to figure out how all three are broken down

The whisper puzzle is equally confusing. It IS base 10, BUT it only goes 0 to 8, so i it's base 8. base 8 base 8 base8... lmao

check it 1492 goes as such

4 9 2

1
Using the Lo Shu square it is
0381

try other iterations like stsrting from a corner or.. maybe
0381 8507 2165 6327

see, that creates a for of hexagram, if you map those numbers onto the loshu square. try mapping numbers we have found onto either square.. i will investigate further


the help page has been updated as well. tels us to look at the journals.
on the right, use that and translate the zero.
3. Image 6 (from the postcard pics) is an atom, 4 electrons 3 protons, it's a lithium ion. used in batteries. 4 electrons. 3 Protons.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21487&start=135

let's take account of the puzzles:
map puzzle
lockstone
the www. images
the postcard images

any more?

UPDATE:

it keeps moving forward. read loshu square reference above.. and then the whisper..
and now..
http://iching01.net.nz/html/i_ching_-_in_base_8_and_binary.html

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:44 pm
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miki_38x1
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 		Forgive me if I am stating the obvious, but "011235813" is an EXTREMELY famous number sequence. It's Fibbonacci's sequence, and it is comprised of each term added to the one before it. Maybe this type of coding scheme has to do with the letters that precede it in that username type thing?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:51 am
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rranndomm
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first post :D
Hi. I'm absolutely new to ARG and been just browsing a bit and I probably won't be of much help in the future (having exam time soon) but here's a little bit of (not much helpful) info (I don't think any spoiler tags are needed for this one Smile )

If you query 'list' you get:

UNDERCONSTRUCTION>>
CMProtocolError@@@@@@t: Service Unavailable

I doubt this is the right diresction, but have you noticed that that strange blog entry is also a limerick? If you brake it down:

zetria atrian's cramming
of knowledge related to clamming
delivered to players
by mail relayers
immortalized always
as sqbopnvt-011235813

if you subtract the numbers position-wise you get: "spamling" it could have some meaning, as the system appears to be trying to ward of spamers with the code inputting ordeal... but it will most likely be something entirely different Smile

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rranndomm
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 		just a thought
about whispers..
as far as I've noticed, everyone considered the solution to be another sequence of numbers, but I think it could be something else just as good. It could be a single number for all we know (now).

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:13 pm
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Rekidk
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 		Good work, rranndomm! I think that reverse-rotting the numbers in the fibonacci sequence--like you did to get 'spamling'--could be the key to one of these puzzles!

I'd love for us to crack these puzzles so that I could jump back into this game.
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zompreacher
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 		IT'S NOT SPAMLING! IT'S SPAMMING!

VIGNERE CYPHER!

Keyword: abbcdfin

Anything else encoded??!?!?!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:09 pm
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feriwiccan
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Quote:
all your insane tree foxglove equatorial daemon 12 oculus are belong to ssc
p-3=?


New anonymous posting similar to the previous one. And again, a reference to an old video game. I don't really know where to start with this one. (doesn't seem to be a limerick either lol)

zompreacher: Awesome! Quite possibly this could be the key to a bunch of other encoded stuff, but I'm not sure.

And on the lockstone puzzle. Not sure if this was already mentioned, but "Mokushi Kushimo" is a line from the song "Absolute Destiny: Apocolypse", which in turn is a song from the anime "Revolutionary Girl Utena." Mokushi means something like "silent contemplation", and I don't know what kushimo means. Anyone's Japanese better than mine?
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zompreacher
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 		[Recap]
Alright.

Let's put this stuff together.

We have the picture puzzle, which is likely a picture puzzle or whatever those are called.

we think it's a website.

Next we have the emails, one of them ended in DWIM DWIM! which i believe is a different rot, or a potentially max 4 vigi.

We have the monument, which is in Base 8 but the blogs tell us that is not the case. they are in Base8- 1 3 7 fibo sequencing.

Now the reason 1 3 7 are significant, I have no clue.

He gave us a Vigi key in the limerick, 011235813


When applied to his scrambled ass word as a vigikey we got the word Spamming. SO.

I think we need to gather all things we can't decipher together.

Vigi keys so far: ssc, abbcdfin,

remember subtract one from the letter position to get the key correct A=0

This is so close.

going to work on lockstone code.

qgwzsxwvqfwywdntmvlzkkaugfnqljwwpvghlzgtwiafpafiafgnwtvgwtlgvogogwdvum
jxangzwtwkqalqgcvzwezspuwvgkvsjvgljwjrdspkspvqqmjjwdrakomujshrjweasvwv
LXANMDVY<<


that is from the last blog post.

Translates to:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
you have done well but this is only the end of the beginning i never doubted we would survive here so i took the chance to start other plans and your help is much appreciated

LXANMDVY<< vigi: ssc



we have a vigi key sitting around. and we don't see it.

the square0 is the key
-------------------[UPDATE]


Did anyone STEGA the lockstone??!?!?!

I think the lockstone is stega'd with a pw that is hidden on the stone.

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rranndomm
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zompreacher wrote:
IT'S NOT SPAMLING! IT'S SPAMMING!

VIGNERE CYPHER!

Keyword: abbcdfin

Anything else encoded??!?!?!

Embarassed sorry, stupid mistake... I'm running too low on sleep.

Utena is one WEIRD anime (considered really weird even among other anime). you can watch that song here (if interested Smile ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3e2GwpZ7ug&feature=related also, if you didn't find them before, the lyrics are in the 'about' section.
In their end, the word mokushi is repeated many times, as it's various anagrams

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zompreacher
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 		LOCKPUZZLE:

sky wing was right, but he used the wrong numbers, he needed the ship numbers, creates more feasible usage.

now we need the vigi key

UPDATE:

I have two feasible solutions to the dumbass lock.
this is when you not double up on a symbol and use the ship numbers

kbopjvjqglsi

and this is when you do

Kbppsegqgmss

The bottom one requires a wrap around (sums greater than 26) which is why i am not liking it. It's not ROT'ed, and it's not Vigi key ssc.. needs
new vigi... i think..

it WILL yield to me!

GRRRR>>>

Quote:
...

- by Jedditor Lebbisun at Sat, 03 Nov 07 17:18:43 -0400

interesting, i cant help thinking ive seen some of those words before...

so if you put all the words and diagrams in order, maybe you get...

ragnarok + 1
circles? - 2
eye logo?, world
ssc lion
strike bomber
claws
clock at 12, eye + 1
andromalius + 1
frog
sunday strike
bird
tropical angel - 2
That's what jedditor said..

So using the info from before we get. (using the ship numerical designations)

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26

1+9+1 = 11 = k
3+1-2 = 2 = b
4+11 = 15 = o
7+9 = 16 = p
1+9 = 10 = j
8+5 = 13 = m
9+9+1 = 19 = s
7+9+1 = 17 = q
6+1 = 12 = l
3+9 = 12 = l
9+10 = 19 = s
2+9-2 = 9 = i

KBOPJMSQLLSI

vigi ssc does not work. damn it.. trying everything again.

[UPDATE]

Done for the night. I have tried a lot of stuff.

anyone notice on THE SQUARE http://www.exilearchive.com/square0.png there are a lot of numbers surrounding it?

and i tried converting the number to base 8, tried ssc vigi as many times as possible. i cannot come up with a 12 letter word that this dude loves... damn it.

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rranndomm
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 		One (well... one of) thing I find confusing is the ',' after "Mokushi kushimo" on the lockstone. Even if it is a part of the sentence, about Kollomar Ridditum (strange name, but probably doesn't mean much) I don't think it's there just to fill a void.
Maybe it could hide the key. (I'm really new to this stuff, so can't do much beside ROT yet).

Hm, I'm not really clear about how you guys map the ships to numbers...? Model, force, cannon, bit, missile?

zompreacher> good work Smile don't give up.

(I'm going away for 2 days soon, so I wish you some good luck and maybe, I'll be surprised when I come back Very Happy )

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zompreacher
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 		it's worth anagraming...

but Kollomar Ridditum is one of the characters in the original 9 emails. He was a philosophjer and such.

i have used the words:

truth
honor
knowledge
intelligence
wisdom

as vgi keys to no avail...
give them a shot.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:48 am
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rranndomm
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 		not that it helps, but...
School's quite trying right now, so I had only time to check if there has something new happened. It doesn't seem to be too helpful, but there is a new post in the ssc topic. It seems to be a reaction on Jedditors last post (before the anonymous post)
Quote:
Making peace

- by Keriwen Edrekar at Wed, 12 Dec 07 01:49:11 -0500

Jedditor, don't be so hard on the idea-web-people! They may be exploring the site in a different order. You should make allowances for that. We want these people to help us, after all.


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