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[META][SPEC] Origins of the Monster
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Hurley wrote:
A creature with an exo-skeleton may have an easier time adjusting from oceanic depths to land. Not sure how the change in pressure would affect it, though. Some divers have ascended faster than safely allowable, and experienced everything from the bends, to actually expanding in their own skin from the oxygen expanding in their blood stream. Which kind of brings up a good point. If something normally adjusted to deep-sea depths had been forced from its natural habitat, and it could only move inland and to more shallow depths, would that creature be prone to the dementia that some men have experienced from fast-rising? Would it drive the creature mad?


Nice point Hurley! the expanding in their own skin! maybe thats whats happening in the now infamous exploding woman clip with the guys in hazmat suits! maybe too many slusho's from the deep when bought to body tempersture causes said effect? Confused just a thought

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There's always the Aquaman explanation: that it's super strong because of the pressures on the sea floor. I'm not sure if that's plausible at all, though.

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It's an alien.

It's after the Seabed Nectar... because... the spice must flow!!

Or whatever Smile
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Not too sure about everything else, but the debate on whether or not something that big could go on without being discovered, i have some input on that. Was just watching something on Science channel the other day about the oceans and they said on there that only about 3% of the Earth's oceans have been explored and that we know more about space then we do about our own oceans.The entire surface has been explored , of course, but theres regions of the depths that havent, and extremely large areas of the floor that havent. In fact, there are some regions so deep that we cant even get close to it with our present technology ( except for Bad Futura , of course lol) Think that leaves a big area for something, regardless of its massive size, to go on undiscoverd. Even once it died it would stay on the oean floor. All deep living creatures do this. Thats why scientists werent sure it giant squid were real or not until recently when one was finally recovered. Hope this helps a little bit
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Possible size complaints
Too big, too furious?

Hey crew,

I'm not sure how large this fella's gonna be, but the bad boy is definitely a big boy.

This site (http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2007/02/the_science_of_godzilla_1.php) is a site answering all the questions that logically explain (and I use the term logical loosely) how something so big can exist.

Highlights:
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Michael Dexter presents the argument here, and also brings in thoughts on blood pressure, circulation and physiology to show that a living Godzilla would variously fall to pieces, tear itself apart, have its organs turn to jelly, explode due to a build-up of internal heat... you get the picture.


The article takes into consideration data presented by:
Mike P. Taylor School of Earth and Environmental Sciences,
University of Portsmouth,
United Kingdom

Per Christiansen
a zoologist based at Copenhagen's Zoological Museum

Kenneth Carpenter
Curator of Lower Vertebrate Paleontology
Denver Museum of Natural Science

The real kicks are in the comments thread at the bottom. I imagine we'll be heading in this direction with the discussions soon enough.

Further Reading: http://kaiju.boomcoach.com/gallery/biology.html

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Re: [META][SPEC] Origins of the Monster

Melampus wrote:
What we know so far about the monster, aka Grumpypants:

-it's approx. 600-700 ft. tall


I have no problem with what you say other than this. Now, the Statue of Liberty is only 93m/305ft tall. You're assuming that the monster's arms are therefore halfway up its body - now, I don't know about you, but I'm yet to see an animal with that kind of proportion. I would estimate Grumpypants is 400-450ft tall.

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^^^^^^^^^^^
I based this height estimate off the speculation on another thread, the "whatever it is, it's got arms" thread - can't remember the exact title of it. There was a lot of debate back and forth about its height, based on the heigh of the SOL, and the general consensus seemed to be somewhere between 500 and 700 ft. tall, but I honestly don't remember all the reasons for that.

Anyway, for present purposes, we don't need to gauge the specific height - any issues related to the biophysics of the creature need only assume the thing is really, really, really big. At least, compared to other animals, even dinosaurs.

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Here's my theory. I guess it falls into Category #3:

-An incident occurs at Chuai Station
Cause: UNKNOWN (TIDO attack? Disturbed monster? Pissed off whales?)
Evidence: I think everyone can agree on this, but the documents shipped with Slusho! merch back this up. Also, no updates about the Chuai Station on Tagruato's map since September seems suspicious. There is probably more evidence that there is an incident at Chuai, but I think this is pretty much a given.

-Seabed's Nectar is released into the water near Chuai Station
Cause: Incident at Chuai Station (exactly what happens remains a mystery)
Evidence: I don't have much hard evidence to back this up, but the Nectar has to play into this somehow! It seems very logical that an incident at a station drilling for Seabed's Nectar might have something to do with, hmm, Seabed's Nectar!

-Deep-sea dwelling creature(s) drink spilled Nectar
Cause: Seabed's Nectar spill at Chuai Station
Evidence: We know animals love the stuff, so if it spilled, they'd drink it. All of it.

-Creature(s) grows to "monstrous" size (probably a whale?)
Cause: Drinking too much Seabed's Nectar
Evidence: TONS of evidence that Seabed's Nectar gives inhuman strength and such things. Also, effects on animals have been suspiciously covered up by Tagruato (the puppy Slusho! drinking contest). Ganu's dream is perhaps the biggest hint at this.. he had a dream that he was a tiny fish, and upon drinking the Nectar, became a huge whale. Other whale references also lead me to believe it is the most probable creature (or at least one of them if there are multiple). The thing even sounds like a whale (mostly in the teaser, after the military comes and pisses it off in the trailer it sounds more like a T-Rex or something...). There's also some insect sounding noises at the end of the trailer, but those are probably something else, like a parasite (perhaps whale louse as portrayed in that fake "leaked" concept art... just because it was fake doesn't mean it was completely wrong).

-Creature gets angry
Cause: No more Seabed's Nectar (= Grumpypants!)
Evidence: Well first off, any addictive substance can cause aggression when craved, and there is plenty of evidence that Seabed's Nectar is addictive. Also, I think the crab's emotions from Slusho! describe the stages of addiction pretty well... first happy, then mad, and so on.. perhaps another hint?

-Creature attacks NYC
Cause: Craving for Seabed's Nectar (also causing aggression) and association of Nectar with humans
Evidence: I don't have much hard evidence to back this up either, but once again I have a logical explanation. The overgrown craving creature, whatever it may be, heads towards humans because it has associated Seabed's Nectar with them (just as animals in National Parks have learned that humans carry food). When it gets to NYC, it is either just pissed from the Nectar withdrawl, or the military may even provoke it (maybe this is the first explosion in the teaser? It does happen before the Statue of Liberty beheading and would explain why the creature would be pissed enough to do something like that.)

Every single press release/blog entry on any of the in-game sites supports my theory. Even the one about the little league baseball team, which for a while I thought was somewhat pointless, shows the effects of Seabed's Nectar.. Those kids must drink a lot of Slusho!, maybe thats why the boy "hits the ball far". A lot of theories sound really solid, but they leave stuff out, some don't even involve the Nectar at all. Trust me, there aren't going to be giving us all these clues if we aren't going to use them. This theory incorporates every little piece of information available on the in-game sites. As far as I can see, short of some of the wackier things on slusho.jp, there isn't a single piece of information on any of the in-game sites that doesn't corroborate this theory, let alone discredit it.

I dunno, just my overall thoughts on everything. I thought this was the obvious, and almost the only conclusion that would be drawn from all the evidence, but I have also seen many other theories, so maybe it only seems obvious to me. As far as I'm concerned, the biggest question remaining is, what happened at Chuai station?

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^^^^^^
I like it. I like the idea that the monster - whatever it's origins - is addicted to the nectar; if it can somehow smell it in the water, it could find its way to NYC I suppose; except that, according to the IG story so far, Slusho hasn't been released in the U.S. yet. It's a good theory, though. I wouldn't be surprised if the story we eventually get is along those lines.

That site referenced by Rogers, about the 'science of Godzilla' is great; the article by Michael Dexter is very interesting. Here's the link again...

http://www.apeculture.com/movies/godzilla.htm

Basically, there's no point speculating about the biophysics of this thing anymore, because it's just not possible. May as well have a monster that can swallow it's own head. Here's one (of many) quotes, from the Dexter article, that makes this point:

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So, as things get bigger, their weight (which is a function of their volume) increases dramatically faster than does their surface area. This has a number of important consequences. Not least of these is that if you double something's size and keep its proportions the same, its weight doesn't double or even quadruple – it increases by a factor of eight!

So, an animal the size of Godzilla would weigh something like 60,000 tons! That's actually a rather conservative estimate. In any event, you're talking about an animal that literally weighs as much as a battleship. What would happen to a battleship if you could take it out of the water that supports it and stand it on its stern? Within a few seconds' time, you'd have a very large pile of scrap metal – that's what would happen!

I don't care if Godzilla's skeleton is made of solid titanium – the instant he steps out of the water, it's going to collapse under his enormous weight. So, downtown Tokyo is quite safe, though they might have a rather large mess to clean up in the harbour.


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Melampus wrote:
^^^^^^
I like it. I like the idea that the monster - whatever it's origins - is addicted to the nectar; if it can somehow smell it in the water, it could find its way to NYC I suppose; except that, according to the IG story so far, Slusho hasn't been released in the U.S. yet. It's a good theory, though. I wouldn't be surprised if the story we eventually get is along those lines.


Thanks. And you're right that as of now Slusho! is not available in America, but perhaps by 1-18-08 it is. The fact that Hawk is wearing a Slusho! shirt on 1-18 definitely supports this. Also, Slusho! has been pushing to get into America right? Tagruato is pretty unrelenting, I wouldn't be surprised if Slusho! hits stores by January. Perhaps 7/11 will get in on the craze and sell Slusho! instead of Slurpees (similar to the Simpson's Movie campaign). Okay, maybe that's a stretch, but we can dream, can't we?!

Oh, and thanks for the link btw.

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Just another quick thought... Are we sure Slusho! isn't in America yet? I think this is probably true, but one thing made me think that maybe in-game, Slusho! is in America. We've seen it on Heroes, so maybe they are trying to show that it is available (in an in-game sort of way). Does Heroes specify the time frame in which it takes place?

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unclear wrote:
Just another quick thought... Are we sure Slusho! isn't in America yet? I think this is probably true, but one thing made me think that maybe in-game, Slusho! is in America. We've seen it on Heroes, so maybe they are trying to show that it is available (in an in-game sort of way). Does Heroes specify the time frame in which it takes place?


IG, on one of the MySpace pages, one of the characters talks about getting a Slusho. So, IG, yes it's in America.
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[HUMOR] Slusho marketing
Can't buy me love?

Slusho! needs to get people aware that a new product is coming, therefore they're using product placement in a variety of popular television shows to get North America geeked for it.

But, the Japanese are craftyas they are innovative, and notice that marketing can have a much greater impact if they can get celebreties to use their products, especially if they can be seen enjoying the products.

Believing that celebreties get a "get out of jail free" card as soon as they show their boobs to the public - read Paris Hilton, Britney (sp?) Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Halle Berry, et-f-ing-cetera.

ENOUGH set up: The origins of the monster read like this=> Slusho! has Tagurato manufacture the big guy for the purposes of decking him out in Slusho! gear, and carrying little pet Ducks and Puppys (cause it's fashionable to do so). Smashing up New York gets you mad coverage and the monster will be a big hit.

After the smashing, he'll get a few weeks in prison, but be released for good behaviour, and then be on a 2 1/2 Men (and a Monster) with Charlie Sheen. He'll get a Golden Globe for Outstanding Lead Monster in a Comedy Series.

After that, he's going to get really big! He'll be so big that he won't even call his agent back anymore. So big that Michael Jackson asks for his autograph. So big that presidents shedule in time to meet with him about how to improve FEMA's response time. etc.

... I'm like, 99.9 % positive this is true. This is an ironclad theory! Take your money to the bank with this one.

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