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[META] An Idea to Help Gain Hype/ give into Viral Marketing
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Johnnyutah16
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[META] An Idea to Help Gain Hype/ give into Viral Marketing

I think im gonna post my own Blog & Buellitin on the Atrocities of Tagruato, the poison of slusho, Paraffun's Recall the Death of the Scientist, and the major hush up, and going to promote the tidowave. I will post this, with links and people will think it is REAL, they will buy the Fiction, kind of a cruel joke on my friends but it will make them get into this...This could be me acting like a COMPUTERNERD, but i think it would be fun if my REAL friends got involved, maybe this is what this campaign of viral marketing was hoping to promote

anyone else in?

I grewup in LA, family/friends in the industry, i got a hold of a 5th generation copy of Blair Witch 9 months before it was even sold to a major studio and it scared the living shit outta me, CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS REAL. Lets try to bring that hype back?


Edit: Tagged. -SpaceBass

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http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22220

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OliMango
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So you're going to make a fake site for people to believe is real? Considering that most people who are into Cloverfield post here, and just saw this thread, your plan fails.

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Sorry. I guess I'm stupid. I'll shut up now Crying or Very sad .

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Johnnyutah16
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NO, youre not understanding

NOT MAKE ANOTHER SITE SOFA KING, just blog it as if it were real

Educate the people that look at my blog about tagruato's atrocities. Have a snipit/comment/blog on the atrocities of tagruato, link to Tidowave's education, make others aware, as if i really believe in it, and that is not FICTION, this is REALLY HAPPENING, you understanding?

Eddy, you are nicer and reformed Kracker, just posting the old discussion thread..HAHA

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Johnnyutah16: Reading what you want to do, it sounded to me like The Effect. So that's why I referenced it. Apologies if you have something else in mind. As for being a nicer or a reformed anyone, that would be of myself. But we don't talk about that anymore.

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Johnnyutah16
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Essentially this would make us all partially IG

If we were educating people/friends on Tagruato Destroying our oceans, and promoting/linking ONLY IG sites, and utilizing facts only confirmed to be IG, we know enough now, that we should start to educate others, through educating peers on our own personal sites it would be more enjoyable for our friends to see also. This is a kind of out there idea, hopefully i am explaining this well enough. Essentially if you are using only IG facts, IG sites, arent you essentially IG because your thoughts are analagous to IG?

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Still sounds like what we're doing with The Effect, except for the fact that our IG mask is only skin deep (i.e. we do link to unfiction so as not to waste anyone's time).

If that's the difference, I don't suspect the unfiction crowd will be very receptive to your idea since appearing to be gamejacking was the main concern expressed at the time we set up The Effect.

Also, just in case you didn't follow the link to the blog, The Effect is current even though the thread that started it is a bit dated.

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Johnnyutah16
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its not really game jacking

I see Game jacking is a form of forgery/perjury/lying, now since we have IG facts, we can cite the source for our opinion on our own blogs, WE ARE NOT FABRICATING FACTS, so NOT GAME JACKING. So if you are informing people, citing credeible IG sources, then you are not Gamejacking, you are playing the game. I am not saying create a "THE EFFECT", this is a personal level, ie "Boycott Tagruato" and let your friends know, kinda like the whole, "Boycott gas on wed, cause we can effect the OIL COMPANIES" emails/Blogs. Make sense?

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You are talking about placing yourself IU (In Universe) and acting as if Tagruato is real and suggesting to others that you believe it is too. To those you address you appear to be a part of that universe, and that suggests that that is actually part of the real universe, not a game universe. That would make you a hoaxer. For anyone that realizes you are dealing with IU things as if they are real and don't know who you are otherwise, you would be a gamejacker. Either way is not too favorable.

The Effect makes a point of allowing you to experience and express IU while making it clear you are not IG. It's a little subtle of a difference and a careful balance, but better than what you are suggesting here.

Why not blog as a member of The Effect and link to that, and to here? That'd prevent screams and cries of gamejack.
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Euchre wrote:
You are talking about placing yourself IU (In Universe) and acting as if Tagruato is real and suggesting to others that you believe it is too. To those you address you appear to be a part of that universe, and that suggests that that is actually part of the real universe, not a game universe. That would make you a hoaxer. For anyone that realizes you are dealing with IU things as if they are real and don't know who you are otherwise, you would be a gamejacker. Either way is not too favorable.

The Effect makes a point of allowing you to experience and express IU while making it clear you are not IG. It's a little subtle of a difference and a careful balance, but better than what you are suggesting here.

Why not blog as a member of The Effect and link to that, and to here? That'd prevent screams and cries of gamejack.


Once again, Euchre comes up with excellent points.

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Johnnyutah16
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In Universe

Maybe that is what the PMs want us to do, why create a slusho commercial, with an html code posting? Any where you post it, people that dont know what SLUSHO is will think it is a new cool drink that you are promoting.

Using your Logic, if i post this Slusho Commercial on my own PERSONAL Site that is IU and thusly Game Jacking?

Im not trying to be combative, just discussing possible motives by the PMs to breach our Lil circle of people in the KNOW on this movie and the plot, versus those that will see this empty headed.

I, personally, would hate to see this film, then have to go online after to figure everything out, then go back and see it.

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Euchre
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If you were to post the commercial you create as if it was an official one, and that it had nothing to do with a contest, yes - that'd be a gamejack.
The contest is obviously a way for us to create something IU but the interface is still like that of a normal ARG - we DO interact with the IU world, but WE aren't pretending to have any real control over it or be a proper part of it. It's pretty clear when you start following the trail that you hit a point where real people become evident, as does the fiction of the site. If you found a site from an ARG first, incidentally, then upon following any player's input it led you to that player here - you'd be able to gather from the site that you had found something fictional and NOT real. The way you propose nobody would see that transition at any point along the way.

If you went to a play where the plot was someone going to a party and you decided you were going to step on stage and start interacting as a character, you'd be doing the same as what you propose here. The way an ARG (or CF in general) is basically made, you are meant to 'stay off the stage'.

Another thing to compare this to is Star Wars fan fiction. Lucas actually welcomes the expansion of his universe, as long as it obeys a few key rules of that universe. However, you'll find that it's considered wrong by the fans and Lucas to insert yourself into the universe as a character with direct influence on it. You may role play, but YOU are not the role.
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Euchre wrote:
The way an ARG (or CF in general) is basically made, you are meant to 'stay off the stage'.


Not true. Many ARGs embrace the players as being involved IU (as you put it) and we become an important part. Just depends on the PM. Most of the ARGs I have played included very much player interaction - to the point where the players' actions determined the outcome of the game. For example, during the PM chat for Sammeeeees we found out there were three possible endings depending on what we chose to do. In CTW, CTW2, Urban Hunt, Sam1 and Sam2, player actions had definite affects on plot points and story direction. That's part of the fun playing ARGs.

Viral marketing campaigns on large scale (like 1-18-08 or Dark Knight) aren't going to be able to deviate much from the storyline. Players aren't having much "direct" interaction with characters - responses are usually present by the PMs (and often autoresponders).
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