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InAFieldofClover
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Ecks51 wrote:
f-bombs = reality?

Some of you people must never have known a person who didn't use such language. I have, and it doesn't bother me nor does it make a movie more realistic. Yes, it's commonplace now for people to speak like that, I know I do, but not everyone does.


I know people like that too. Though if a monster the size of a skyscraper was chasing them, them being 20 something year olds, I'd expect them to act a just a little out of character, wouldn't you?

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InAFieldofClover wrote:
There will probably be tons of cursing, and maybe one or two f-bombs. Realistically, Jamie wouldn't have limited her swearing of Teddy to "prick" when she thought he was fucking her over. I don't think I've ever broken up with a girl and had her act as mildly as Jamie did, in terms of profanity.


Another topic for another thread, but she actually did curse in Video #5. She just mumbled under her breath. Clearly she dropped two F-bombs.

And I've also seen a few PG-13 movies with F-bombs. There just aren't as many as Pulp Fiction or The Big Lebowski.

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 		You guys have to understand, while PG-13 is bad for us, most movies push heavily for PG-13 ratings just so that kids can go see the film so that the film can make more money. That's why many PG-13 movies get away with a lot of stuff. Did you guys know that Transformers was suppose to be rated R? Spielberg argued against it because the movie could catch the adult audience that wanted the action as well as the kid audience that recognize the name "Transformers". And it worked. Transformers made about $319 million. So I'm sure they intentionally made Cloverfield to be PG-13.

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InAFieldofClover
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CameronJr9 wrote:
InAFieldofClover wrote:
There will probably be tons of cursing, and maybe one or two f-bombs. Realistically, Jamie wouldn't have limited her swearing of Teddy to "prick" when she thought he was fucking her over. I don't think I've ever broken up with a girl and had her act as mildly as Jamie did, in terms of profanity.


Another topic for another thread, but she actually did curse in Video #5. She just mumbled under her breath. Clearly she dropped two F-bombs.

And I've also seen a few PG-13 movies with F-bombs. There just aren't as many as Pulp Fiction or The Big Lebowski.


D'oh! I should've really used my noise canceling headphones for that video. Anyway, it does kind of suck that the cursing will be limited. But if they can make up for it with realistic violence, terror and a good story it'll be easy for me to overlook it.

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blaaaaaah wrote:
djspankypants wrote:
for those of you worried about kids go see the movie during the times when kids are in school. Problem solved.


where's the fun in going to a movie in the middle of the day?


Well that depends on how good your weed is.

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Lee Grant wrote:
You guys have to understand, while PG-13 is bad for us, most movies push heavily for PG-13 ratings just so that kids can go see the film so that the film can make more money. That's why many PG-13 movies get away with a lot of stuff. Did you guys know that Transformers was suppose to be rated R? Spielberg argued against it because the movie could catch the adult audience that wanted the action as well as the kid audience that recognize the name "Transformers". And it worked. Transformers made about $319 million. So I'm sure they intentionally made Cloverfield to be PG-13.


I hear you. Abrams probably expected Cloverfield to be a small novelty project, or something to kill time in between "LOST", or maybe even a labor of love because he's a huge fan of monster movies. Now that it's gained some momentum, Bad Robot and Paramount probably figure that it can be something big. Or at least bigger than they thought. And I think they're also cognizant of the fact that internet hype for movies like "Snakes on a Plane" don't equal big box office numbers so they're trying to get the teenage audience in there to double the numbers they would've generated had it been R rated.

That's a theory, though more and more film companies are abiding by that technique when their films are clearly not intended for children whatsoever.

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Stumper67 wrote:
blaaaaaah wrote:
djspankypants wrote:
for those of you worried about kids go see the movie during the times when kids are in school. Problem solved.


where's the fun in going to a movie in the middle of the day?


Well that depends on how good your weed is.


Ehh, dont need weed. I havent been to a movie in years without a pint of whiskey. Thats fun enough for me. Although in college it was whiskey and weed.

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Lee Grant wrote:
You guys have to understand, while PG-13 is bad for us, most movies push heavily for PG-13 ratings just so that kids can go see the film so that the film can make more money. That's why many PG-13 movies get away with a lot of stuff. Did you guys know that Transformers was suppose to be rated R? Spielberg argued against it because the movie could catch the adult audience that wanted the action as well as the kid audience that recognize the name "Transformers". And it worked. Transformers made about $319 million. So I'm sure they intentionally made Cloverfield to be PG-13.

Yeah, that's why JJ is releasing the movie in january, the biggest month for box office hits.
</sarcasm>

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Lee Grant wrote:
You guys have to understand, while PG-13 is bad for us, most movies push heavily for PG-13 ratings just so that kids can go see the film so that the film can make more money. That's why many PG-13 movies get away with a lot of stuff. Did you guys know that Transformers was suppose to be rated R? Spielberg argued against it because the movie could catch the adult audience that wanted the action as well as the kid audience that recognize the name "Transformers". And it worked. Transformers made about $319 million. So I'm sure they intentionally made Cloverfield to be PG-13.

Yeah, that's why JJ is releasing the movie in january, the biggest month for box office hits.
</sarcasm>


I don't think he expected the film to generate the type of buzz it already has. In fact, he's stated that in a recent interview. (See the "Slusho is not related to Cloverfield thread") Since it gained some momentum, the movie studio might just be doing all they can to make the film extremely profitable, even if it doesn't generate hundreds of millions of dollars.

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 		Warning: long rant to follow. In a nutshell; to make a movie focused on realism, it's totally inappropriate to make it PG-13 (which is gonna end up being, like, G up here in Canada.)
EDIT: Jeez, you can't write anything more than a sentence around here before someone gets to it before you. Well, it's here anyways.

I'm mostly disappointed with the (lack of) language. 24 sucked last season because there were a million times where the scene was so stressful, but all that Keifer Sutherland could say was "Dammit!", because it was on FOX. If it went to Showcase, they could swear as much as they wanted to, it would feel natural, and the ratings would go up.

Same thing here, but times ten. When the SOL head hits the pavement, we should hear "Holy shit!" not "Oh my God! Oh my God!" When Rob say "Listen to me, she's dying", he should be saying "Fuck you, she's dying!" or "Listen to me, she's fucking dying!" Especially with the handheld camera effect, it should feel natural, like you're in the movie. If at one point you go "Oh, fuck!" when Marlena starts coughing up blood, there'll be a couple dozen extras saying "Dammit!" or "Oh my God!" and nothing else... and then the movie will separate itself from you and from reality.
Also, because of the ARG, we are currently "living" in their universe, and therefore, realism is key. But I can already see it in the last video; when Teddy started talking, I said to myself, "Holy shit!" while Jamie says.... "Oh my God."

Surprisingly, she does say "You can't even pick up the fucking phone and let me know anything?", although she either muffles the "fucking" to "fcking" or the PM's muted it. Either way, it shows one thing: the actress was being natural, ad-libbing a bit, and lapsed into normal speech patterns. Just to prove: Real life isn't PG-13.

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InAFieldofClover wrote:
suckaH wrote:
Lee Grant wrote:
You guys have to understand, while PG-13 is bad for us, most movies push heavily for PG-13 ratings just so that kids can go see the film so that the film can make more money. That's why many PG-13 movies get away with a lot of stuff. Did you guys know that Transformers was suppose to be rated R? Spielberg argued against it because the movie could catch the adult audience that wanted the action as well as the kid audience that recognize the name "Transformers". And it worked. Transformers made about $319 million. So I'm sure they intentionally made Cloverfield to be PG-13.

Yeah, that's why JJ is releasing the movie in january, the biggest month for box office hits.
</sarcasm>


I don't think he expected the film to generate the type of buzz it already has. In fact, he's stated that in a recent interview. (See the "Slusho is not related to Cloverfield thread") Since it gained some momentum, the movie studio might just be doing all they can to make the film extremely profitable, even if it doesn't generate hundreds of millions of dollars.

If they changed the decision recently to make it PG-13 instead of R, they would have had to edit out A LOT of the movie. Assuming this is a standard length movie of about 2 hours, they would have had to edit out approximately an hour of material, meaning the original was 3 hours long. I highly doubt they came to this decision recently. I don't understand JJ and co. making it PG-13 to make money yet releasing it in jan. to NOT make money.

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suckaH wrote:
Lee Grant wrote:
You guys have to understand, while PG-13 is bad for us, most movies push heavily for PG-13 ratings just so that kids can go see the film so that the film can make more money. That's why many PG-13 movies get away with a lot of stuff. Did you guys know that Transformers was suppose to be rated R? Spielberg argued against it because the movie could catch the adult audience that wanted the action as well as the kid audience that recognize the name "Transformers". And it worked. Transformers made about $319 million. So I'm sure they intentionally made Cloverfield to be PG-13.

Yeah, that's why JJ is releasing the movie in january, the biggest month for box office hits.
</sarcasm>


EXACTLY! You don't get it? All the big box office movies come out in the summer. So why let the movie sit and fight with other huge movies like The Chronciles of Narnia: Prince Caspian (May 16), and Indiana Jones (May 22), and The Dark Knight (June 18 )??? This campaign can only reach so many people compared to the million and millions of dollars that go out for other movie's public campaigns. So it's logical to release Cloverfield in a dead box office month. It's the biggest thing going on.

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suckaH wrote:

If they changed the decision recently to make it PG-13 instead of R, they would have had to edit out A LOT of the movie. Assuming this is a standard length movie of about 2 hours, they would have had to edit out approximately an hour of material, meaning the original was 3 hours long. I highly doubt they came to this decision recently. I don't understand JJ and co. making it PG-13 to make money yet releasing it in jan. to NOT make money.

Quick correction: according to fairly reputable sources, its 90 minutes.

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 		I knew it would be PG-13, R is mostly reserved for movies with lots of sex. Graphic violence has become a hallmark of PG-13 films in recent years. In the United States sex is way more taboo than violence.

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 		Since when do producers have any say in the content and eventual rating of a movie? (serious question)

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