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Red Walrus
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Could that be a broken sylet in Beths'(?) shoulder. Dunno. Rob (maybe)and for sure Marlena and Beth(?) have wounds on the upper chest shoulder area. Seems to be a pattern.

Man, if tardigrades are not in movie they would still be a kick-ass monster - little ones being ingested (or Injected), mid-size models scuttling around sucking human juices and the big mother knocking over buildings and clawing up the city.

But I'm not focusing on them being the big monster just the Deep sea ingredient, who knows where it goes from there.

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Water bears
Not to rain on the parade but...

I have noticed some discussion about water bears, so I did a little bit of research, just read a few web pages, but there hasn't been a ton of research done according to the stuff I read. But one important fact did stand out.

Water bears are not considered extremophiles, at least according to Sarah Bordenstein of the Marine Biological Laboratory, the article can be found here.

She says:
Quote:
they are not considered extremophiles because they are not adapted to live in these conditions. Their chances of dying increase the longer they are exposed to the extreme environment.


Apologies if this has been pointed out, I only went through the last few pages of this thread.

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Re: Water bears
Not to rain on the parade but...

Ivo wrote:
I have noticed some discussion about water bears, so I did a little bit of research, just read a few web pages, but there hasn't been a ton of research done according to the stuff I read. But one important fact did stand out.

Water bears are not considered extremophiles, at least according to Sarah Bordenstein of the Marine Biological Laboratory, the article can be found here.

She says:
Quote:
they are not considered extremophiles because they are not adapted to live in these conditions. Their chances of dying increase the longer they are exposed to the extreme environment.


Apologies if this has been pointed out, I only went through the last few pages of this thread.

Sarah Bordenstein of the Marine Biological Laboratory :
http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/topics/tardigrade/

From her page:
Tardigrades in Extreme Environments

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Tardigrades have been known to survive the following extreme conditions:


temperatures as low as -200 °C (-328 °F) and as high as 151 °C (304 °F);
freezing and/or thawing processes;
changes in salinity;
lack of oxygen;
lack of water;
levels of X-ray radiation 1000x the lethal human dose;
some noxious chemicals;
boiling alcohol;
low pressure of a vacuum;
high pressure (up to 6x the pressure of the deepest part of the ocean).
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Bunch of other quotes:

Tardigrades are extremophiles that can boast life spans of 200 years! "They've evolved to survive repeated freezing

Example of an extremophile – "water bears". Tardigrades – "water bears". The first tardigrades were. discovered by Goetz in 1773

Extremophiles can live in boiling hot, extreme cold, salty, and dry conditions ń in short, all the conditions that tardigrades can survive

Is it possible for an extremophile such as the Tardigrade,

And, not just tardigrades—as this latest surge of exploration and laboratory research reveals yet more extremophile microbes and other organisms

Tardigrades, the ultimate extremophile

From Wiki:
Neither are all extremophiles unicellular; protostomes found in similar environments include the Pompeii worm, the psychrophilic Grylloblattodea (insects), Antarctic krill (a crustacean) and the water bear.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/extremophile.html
Classification and examples of extremophiles
vacuum tolerates vacuum (space devoid of matter) tardigrades

of Extremophilic Tardigrades. Rhonda L. Lane. Department of Biological Sciences

Extremophile is the arthropod-like tardigrades (21). They are so unique that a separate phylum, known as. Tardigrada, was created for them

Examples of extremophilic metazoa are the Pompeii worm, the psychrophilic Grylloblattodea (insects), antarctic krill (crustaceans) and the Tardigrade

Other higher organisms. are known for stress resistance: e.g. tardigrades, nematodes. and brine shrimp are animal extremophiles that resist

Nematodes and tardigrades, which themselves could be classified as extremophile

and following that organisms (only extremophile variety) like rotifers, tardigrades, nematodes

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Of the hundreds of quotes hers is the only one I've seen which argues the true meaning of extremophile but to most writers on the subject because it can survive these conditions call the Tardigrade an extremophile. It may not technically be a true "extremophile" but thats what they are called 99% of the time on the internets (some Henry Rollins fans will get that Smile ) and that's probably how far the writer of the Tagruato site went.

[EDIT] to clarify

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Re: Water bears
Not to rain on the parade but...

Red Walrus wrote:
Ivo wrote:
I have noticed some discussion about water bears, so I did a little bit of research, just read a few web pages, but there hasn't been a ton of research done according to the stuff I read. But one important fact did stand out.

Water bears are not considered extremophiles, at least according to Sarah Bordenstein of the Marine Biological Laboratory, the article can be found here.

She says:
Quote:
they are not considered extremophiles because they are not adapted to live in these conditions. Their chances of dying increase the longer they are exposed to the extreme environment.


Apologies if this has been pointed out, I only went through the last few pages of this thread.

Sarah Bordenstein of the Marine Biological Laboratory :
http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/topics/tardigrade/

From her page:
Tardigrades in Extreme Environments

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tardigrades have been known to survive the following extreme conditions:


temperatures as low as -200 °C (-328 °F) and as high as 151 °C (304 °F);
freezing and/or thawing processes;
changes in salinity;
lack of oxygen;
lack of water;
levels of X-ray radiation 1000x the lethal human dose;
some noxious chemicals;
boiling alcohol;
low pressure of a vacuum;
high pressure (up to 6x the pressure of the deepest part of the ocean).
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bunch of other quotes:

Tardigrades are extremophiles that can boast life spans of 200 years! "They've evolved to survive repeated freezing

Example of an extremophile – "water bears". Tardigrades – "water bears". The first tardigrades were. discovered by Goetz in 1773

Extremophiles can live in boiling hot, extreme cold, salty, and dry conditions ń in short, all the conditions that tardigrades can survive

Is it possible for an extremophile such as the Tardigrade,

And, not just tardigrades—as this latest surge of exploration and laboratory research reveals yet more extremophile microbes and other organisms

Tardigrades, the ultimate extremophile

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Of the hundreds of quotes yours is the only one I've seen which argues the true meaning of extremophile but to most writers on the subject because it can survive these conditions call the Tardigrade the ultimate extremophile.


Right, I hear you. My thought is if water bears wouldn't really be found around, say, thermal vents, it would, to me, detract from the realistic feel of the game/movie so far. Maybe I am thinking to hard. But if the monster really has something to do with deep ocean extremeophiles, I would think JJ would at least try to use something real, maybe not. I assume most of these extreme conditions that water bears survived were created in a lab, probably.

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This is wierd, just found it:

September 30, 2007The Tardigrade Conspiracy


by Disaster Dan @ 8:42 pm. Filed under Conspiracies, science

Last week, Irregular Times writer Peregrin Wood wrote about a super-secure space mission dedicated to releasing microscopic animals called tardigrades into the deep, cold, empty, irradiated vacuum of outer space. Peregrin Wood promised that "Any time now, scientists will examine the water bears that were retrieved from the vacuum of outer space, and look to see if they are still alive."

Oh, how naive.

Four days later now, and the report on the tardigrades from outer space is, dare I say, a little bit tardy.

What are they trying to hide? More importantly, what are they really trying to do, exposing the tardigrades to the cosmic radiation of outer space? Anyone who has read a Fantastic 4 comic book can imagine the implications of super-powered little microscopic animals unleashed on the world.

A dictator with that kind of power could rule the world. No one would have the power to resist. Is that what this space mission was really all about? Designing a new tardigrade biological weapon to enable the wicked people behind the scenes to make us all slaves?

The lead researcher on the Tardigrades In Space project, K. Ingemar Jönsson, has not answered these questions. How convenient. I wonder why? Could it be that no one has bothered to translate the phrase, "None dare call it a tardigrade conspiracy" into Swedish?

http://irregulartimes.com/diaries/category/conspiracies/

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TARDIS

Did you read the comments? (They led me to the link below with a couple Google searches) The person who wrote that blurb is obviously less than stable (I mean centuries old spy clams? c'mon now) but, the mission is real enough.
http://www.spaceflight.esa.int/users/index.cfm?act=default.page&level=11&page=1798

EDIT: Not sure what this would have to do with the ARG, the wikipedia article on water bears suggested (without a source) that they could live in the vacuum of space.

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There's enough links to and from genuine sites for it to be fake, it's just a small piece of payload space you can buy on a russian rocket, not the reason behind the launch.

edit: I think I might have missed the point

This is meant to be the official site
http://tardigradesinspace.blogspot.com/

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If you were an evil japanese corporation experimenting with tardigrades and something went out of control what would you do with said failed trouble experiment. Nothing can really harm these things and the only place they could at least be reigned in would be in a very cold place where they could stay frozen forever. Unfortunately with the advent of BoldFutura's drilling technology the ocean floor is no longer safe. hmm where would a safe place be? How about....SPACE!

Hence the emergency launch of the satellite even though it was stormy. Maybe it was in a last ditch effort to "Ensure our future" lol

I don't know just running with the idea and there are many holes in my theory, but it's as plausible as anything else we've heard so far lol


Told You! Rolling Eyes

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I found a video of a computer animated Waterbear, I don't think it was posted.

After seeing the widget video, I think it's possible we're seeing the rear legs of an enormous Waterbear, so I'm joining the Tardigrade bandwagon!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5TJC9ag34I[/youtube]

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Smile Yeah! Another joins the dark side!! Laughing
Seriously Red Walrus raised this WAY back on another thread and convinced me to research myself I did and was instantly intrigued by it the facts and tagruato info still points this way so great to have another on the band wagon! even if this turns out in some way to not be mr grumpy pants I hope someone somewhere thinks Hmm! Tardigrades! ferocious little critters arent they!

" Walrus!! the converts are a coming!!" Laughing

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gotta hand it to ya....

Someone mentioned in this thread concerning their idea that our big ass waterbear could be one of many that are being used as the actual drills at each deep sea station.....something that intrigues me.
Tagruato's secret just broke free eh?

*ponders some more...*

Excellent theory.

peace

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ooh! I like that I must have missed it! Tagruato's secret just broke free eh? thats a good twist using them to drill! they can survive virtually anything! and I think they would get a tad pi~*ed off! intersting especially with the new widget clip! the tanker attack? capsizing!

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I really like this theory. Out of anything I've read so far, this is the most plausible. Very Happy

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on this piece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdhelNOkzGI&NR=1 you can sort of see the wierd colouration of it! i dare say at a mega size in the lit streets of new york (the yellowish street lights ) if this is grumpypants that it could look a luminous type of green! IMHO!

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john locke wrote:
on this piece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdhelNOkzGI&NR=1 you can sort of see the wierd colouration of it! i dare say at a mega size in the lit streets of new york (the yellowish street lights ) if this is grumpypants that it could look a luminous type of green! IMHO!


That looks pretty translucent to me, but if Mr. Grumpypants was made out of stuff of the same density as the little ones, he would look completely solid.

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