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[SPEC] Military Response To Clover/GrumpyPant's Appearance
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Random_kid
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 		... it was a joke i wasnt being serious...
just having alittle fun
and i think its a little bit of everything weve said

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LaNcEleCtriKuTion
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 		True.

Well, imma sleep fer now, so lemme get some things out- The Chuai station's probably under US watch, since it has eco- terrorists after them. Teddy might find out about GP the day before the movie comes out, so yeah...
Chuai Station might have uncovered the monster who lives in molten lava, so missiles probably hurt as much as dry skin on GP. GP hates the weather up here (January) and goes bersek. The missiles might calm it down a little because it makes it "warmer", but the Army mistakes this as an opening and orders the "el grande" launching of missiles, and Gp starts to get stronger. End of that for now.

End of the day joke- "Chaui Station has been delayed for opening cause some jackhead named JJAbrams revealed our plans too early in some viral sh*t. Now that he's in NYC in January, revenge will commence!!" - if Tagruato really exsisted, what would happen??

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xboyonfirex
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 		I personally think the Chuai station gets destroyed.

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Lol, I know, I was being sarcastic. But on a serious note, they would probably try to keep it under wraps, just like they did on Area 51. Of course, they would cover it up, no matter how much evidence there is, so not much help there.


I don't think our government would go Roswell on this. First, they have to KILL THE MONSTER in order to cover it up. Kudos to them if they do so.

If they do cover it up, the first person on the scene would be... Will Smith in MIB form!!! loljk

Well, you have to take into consideration that, even if the monster went rampant in NYC, they would still deny any monster being even near the Earth. As I said before, they don't care how much evidence there is, they will never reveal anything. What about Will Smith from IAL?
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blaaaaaah
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Random_kid wrote:
ok lets get this started!
i say military has no idea
meaning no contact with the station
because the distance between Chaiu station and new york is so great that you would think they would have tried to evacuate the city


Who knows how fast grumpypants can swim? Fast, I'd imagine.

Maybe Chuai station sent out an SOS, and by the time the military got the SOS grumpypants was already on sonar, and far too close to NYC to evacuate, so they sent a defensive attack squad to destract the monster while they attempted to evacuate.

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Lee Grant
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 		You know, no one ever said that the monster immediately attacked the city. Most known animals don't attack unless they're being threatened, and you have to figure that no matter how scary of a creature it is, all the lights and noises of New York would keep it from voluntarily walking in, right? So, I kinda like the idea that it followed a Tagruato tanker to New York, chilled with the Statue of Liberty for a while, and whenever the military responded to it's arrival, the monster got aggrivated and attacked the city (after, of course, taking some of his frustration out on Liberty's head;) ). IDK. Doesn't that sound logical?

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StayPuftMarshmallowMan
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 		Chuai station is anywhere from 700 to 1700 miles away from NYC. This thing is big. This thing would have to be traveling really fast not to be seen on radar. And for the army to get an evac. I have to say they probably didnt get a sos if it was attacked.

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 		Then the military would try and evacuate the city before it decided to attack a huge monster that would probably fight back.

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blaaaaaah wrote:
Random_kid wrote:
ok lets get this started!
i say military has no idea
meaning no contact with the station
because the distance between Chaiu station and new york is so great that you would think they would have tried to evacuate the city


Who knows how fast grumpypants can swim? Fast, I'd imagine.

Maybe Chuai station sent out an SOS, and by the time the military got the SOS grumpypants was already on sonar, and far too close to NYC to evacuate, so they sent a defensive attack squad to destract the monster while they attempted to evacuate.

The only reason the military would try to evacuate the city is if they knew of a definitive threat. It's more likely they are on alert because the threat is a potential one, not definitive. Keep in mind also that evacuation of NYC is not simple, it'd take days to even attempt it. If they were aware of a monster and thought it was a distinct threat, they wouldn't necessarily know exactly where it would strike - so they would try to intercept it. If they thought the tanker was toting it along they'd try to intercept it well beyond our shores as well. There'd be little if anything to explain if they did manage to intercept the monster at sea, as there'd be almost no chance of witnesses.

I don't think Grumpypants can swim so fast as to get to shore faster than radio waves or even a relatively slow satellite relay. Even an email would be faster, or Grumpypants isn't just going to make a good wake between Chuai and NYC, more like a tsunami. The station is bare minimum of 2 days going in a straight line from station to shore, and even if Grumpypants was 10 times faster that's still over 4 hours of swim time. That kind of movement in water would be insanely fast, and would definitely generate pressure waves like a tsunami.
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blaaaaaah
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Euchre wrote:
blaaaaaah wrote:
Random_kid wrote:
ok lets get this started!
i say military has no idea
meaning no contact with the station
because the distance between Chaiu station and new york is so great that you would think they would have tried to evacuate the city


Who knows how fast grumpypants can swim? Fast, I'd imagine.

Maybe Chuai station sent out an SOS, and by the time the military got the SOS grumpypants was already on sonar, and far too close to NYC to evacuate, so they sent a defensive attack squad to destract the monster while they attempted to evacuate.

The only reason the military would try to evacuate the city is if they knew of a definitive threat. It's more likely they are on alert because the threat is a potential one, not definitive. Keep in mind also that evacuation of NYC is not simple, it'd take days to even attempt it. If they were aware of a monster and thought it was a distinct threat, they wouldn't necessarily know exactly where it would strike - so they would try to intercept it. If they thought the tanker was toting it along they'd try to intercept it well beyond our shores as well. There'd be little if anything to explain if they did manage to intercept the monster at sea, as there'd be almost no chance of witnesses.

I don't think Grumpypants can swim so fast as to get to shore faster than radio waves or even a relatively slow satellite relay. Even an email would be faster, or Grumpypants isn't just going to make a good wake between Chuai and NYC, more like a tsunami. The station is bare minimum of 2 days going in a straight line from station to shore, and even if Grumpypants was 10 times faster that's still over 4 hours of swim time. That kind of movement in water would be insanely fast, and would definitely generate pressure waves like a tsunami.


Just playing devil's advocate here..

I'm not saying Grumps swam from Chuai to NYC in the time it took for the sonar or radio waves to reach the government. But we know how long it takes our government to react to disaster (Look at Katrina) or impending disaster (Katrina again, or even 9/11). Grumps could have gone from Chuai to NYC and arrived just as the military was getting armed and ready.

Also, for all we know, a tsunami could have very well occured because of grumps and his fast swimming abilities.

I'm just saying these things for arguments sake. I don't necessarily believe the monster created a tsunami. Though could you imagine the kind of power a creature like that would need to do such a thing? Crazy.

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 		The hard truth!
I know we like to think of these things in real world terms. IE: Comparisons to 911 and katrina and such. But..really, we can always count on the hollywood world to bring us things that just sort of happen conveniently. I think any debate over these projected response time can be fun and all but really. That point is mute. No matter how you cut it they are going to be there with absolutely everything they have ASAP, as in z'needed it yesterdayz' fast. Why? heh take a guess.

This talk of previous or forth knowledge of the GP hitting NYC does play a big role. An absolutely horrific one at that. What I think is that regardless of whether or not "They knew" there really is only one course of action. Do you think thats evacuation?? with a biological disaster? The one thing that they would want over everything else is "Containment"

Nobody is getting of the island of manhattan. not if they can help it and not without some sort of screening and quarantine. We have seen a glimps of this in the trailer haven't we? Even if everyone has to die. It'd just be considered acceptable losses. Acceptable compared to the rest of the contry with a possible infection.

That how I think its gonna play out. I don't think there is any chance that GP ends up dead. Just my opinion.

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 		There are no comparisons between 9/11 and GP that make any sense, really.

Militaries are only prepared to respond to human threats, not monsters knocking down buildings. In the case of 9/11, it was a matter of how many lives were worth stopping terrorists.

While on 9/11, there was an identified threat, no one quite knows what is in NYC during this movie. Note the shock of these people at the party. Imagine how military Colonels and Generals would react? Something along the lines of...

"o yea rite a gient monstar in new yawk lol fuk ur emergency i'm goin 2 sleep lol"

(Reading that made me laugh)

Anyway, the fact that the nearest Marine Corps Camp, Air Force Base (go Air Force!!!111) and Army Fort are at LEAST 1hr away by road from NY raises questions as to the response time. The next closest two are in DC, and are there to protect that Capitol and the President.

There's also the issue of being given the order to go ahead and mount a defense. People call the cops, who then call the local bases, who then contact DC (while initiating recalls of all personnel to their respective squadrons in order to be ready to work), DC gives them the order, THEN they get to work. This is to say nothing of thos who have to be recalled from leave, ground traffic, etc.

That's why I don't think the response was too fast. It was probably as fast as possible given the standards, but that probably didn't mean much, given the amount of destruction already done.

Now once the military is there, what do you do? If it is that big that it could swipe Lady Liberty's head off, then a depleted uranium shell from a tank won't do much, and neither would a 7.62mm round. You could empty everything in the American inventory short of the GBU-43 MOAB (the closest thing to a nuke that isn't a nuke), but then there's the question of how much collateral damage is your greatest city worth.

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 		To contain a threat like that? Evacuation and tactical nukes... (would explain the "formerly known as Central Park" thing).

As for GP, we know he did it for the lulz, so him sneaking in behind a tanker to hide his sonar signature is not that preposterous...

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 		What bothered me about the trailer is that Hud is the one filming... Does the military frequently let amateur photographers just stand around while they fire several hundred tons of live munitions less than 50 yards away? Shouldn't they have dragged his ass out of the way?

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 		Where does the belief that there is an unbelievebly rapid military response come from? All I can see is a picture of a soldier on the 1-18-08 site, but I don't know what we can read from that.
The widget proves that the monster sighting in the trailer wasn't connected to the military shots, which I'd already guessed anyway.

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