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[Trivia/OT] where IS the operator?
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Fraxxxi
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 		[Trivia/OT] where IS the operator?
after reading the entire marathon stories (not quite through the "facts and puzzling things about..." yet), I am now aware that an AI needs shitloads of storage; not so much when it's crippled like the operator is, but still more than a 120gb hard drive, I would think.

now, where is the operator? it needs to be very close to earth, at the very least in this half of our solar system, to be able to intercept emails and reply to them within a reasonable amount of time. even for that though, it would need to establish an uplink with an internet server that can receive and send at the speed of light. even if there is such a thing on earth, the operator's vessel would need to be close enough to earth to have visual contact with this interface at all times. I do think a planet-sized vessel establishing contact with our most advanced light-speed internet provider would draw some attention, not to mention just plain a planet-sized vessel in our general area.
maybe this AI hijacked a smaller vessel, but it would still be larger than any meteors passing by, somebody would notice. only the AI was damaged in the attack, obviously, since the comm-arrays are still working, so it's not "the ship was shot to snithereens, the computer core floating through space is too small to detect" either.
so, I think we can be certain that is is not in space anymore. it's got to be on earth.
I haven't heard of any HUGE meteors hitting earth lately either though. somebody would've seen THAT!
so the operator was probably transferred (probably using unsecured WiFi access points Wink ) with low-tech to earth from a far-away point when it became apparent that its ship's drives were FUBAR. for the signal to survive such a massive distance, it would need to be so strong that somebody would've noticed it (assuming that the operator knew the protocols and neccessary speed at which to transfer itself) and saved itself in tiny bits (maybe ten gb at a time) on pretty much every computer in the world over the course of a few years (even with current broadband speeds)... of course it would've had to know about the internet a few thousand years ago.
neither of those scenarios sounds possible...
so, where the hell is the operator?
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 		over 100 views and nothing? not even "you suck, go home" or "it's just a game", let alone a discussion about whether or not this is important for the story and/or how the creators will possibly explain this later on?
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 		Well...
I was thinking that perhaps the Operator isn't very big. Assuming she is a form of A.I., and assuming that she would then need a huge amount of data storage for herself is fine. That doesn't mean she would be using our data storage technology, though, so the Operator could be an A.I. entity residing inside a physical, traditional robot or other relatively small and unobtrusive machine of some sort.

Not sure how well that fits with the flea footprints or the P. elegans nematode reference though.

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 		The basic problem with all this is the time-travel component.

Remember "chatter protocol ancestor". The Black Widow SPDR recognizes TCP/IP as something from its past. Therefore it is from the future. Therefore the Operator is from the future.

When time travel is thrown into the mix all questions relating to "where" become bound up with "when", per Einstein. If something screwy has occurred in the space-time continuum, our usual means of determining location go out the window.

On top of this are the arguments of the post above. An AI needs lots of electronic space but not necessarily much physical space.

I have to vote "insufficient data" on this one.

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kalamazoo wrote:
The basic problem with all this is the time-travel component.
Remember "chatter protocol ancestor". The Black Widow SPDR recognizes TCP/IP as something from its past. Therefore it is from the future. Therefore the Operator is from the future.
When time travel is thrown into the mix all questions relating to "where" become bound up with "when", per Einstein. If something screwy has occurred in the space-time continuum, our usual means of determining location go out the window.
On top of this are the arguments of the post above. An AI needs lots of electronic space but not necessarily much physical space.
I have to vote "insufficient data" on this one.
ooh, interesting thought, it might have slipped over from the future into our time in it's container. in this case it wouldn't even need to be in a web of the size required by durandal, leela and tycho, it might come from and even more distant future where several exobytes (is that even a real word?) of data can fit into a rather small space. that would explain why nobody has found it, physically. in that case, it might actually have escaped its attackers by timetravel (of which there is, as far as I know, no indication in the bungie universe, but the ancestor protocol is indeed pretty unambiguous) and be using earthbound internet access; whether the spider has established a link between it and our internet by accessing a phone line or if it's using wireless.
how far do you think it will spread before this is solved?
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