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MageSteff
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[INFO] Reference Desk

OK here are some on-line books (Fable/Fairy Tale)

http://www.harvestfields.netfirms.com/etexts1/02/10/A.htm


the section from "A Voyage to Lilliput" can be found here

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. What became of my companions in the boat, or those who escaped on the rock or were left in the vessel, I cannot tell; but I conclude they were all lost. For my part, I swam as fortune directed me, and was pushed forward by wind and tide; but when I was able to struggle no longer I found myself within my depth. By this time the storm was much abated. I reached the shore at last, about eight o'clock in the evening, and advanced nearly half a mile inland, but could not discover any sign of inhabitants. I was extremely tired, and with the heat of the weather I found myself much inclined to sleep. I lay down on the grass, which was very short and soft, and slept sounder than ever I did in my life for about nine hours. When I woke, it was just daylight. I attempted to rise, but could not; for as I happened to be lying on my back, I found my arms and legs were fastened on each side to the ground; and my hair, which was long and thick, tied down in the same manner. I could only look upward. The sun began to grow hot, and the light hurt my eyes. I heard a confused noise about me, but could see nothing except the sky.


Maybe if we search a bit we can find the other stories that are scattered thougt the Bee site as well?
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fireball
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We have also found snippets from

Robinson Crusoe

The Tempest
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MageSteff
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Random Conversation from #beekeepers
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i've got this obsession now with the idea that the "intruder" is somehow the bees themselves
[00:05] <Magesteff> Nothing wrong with that
[00:05] is this crazy? think of refs to queens, chambers, etc., and the spiders swarming over her
[00:05] mites are spiders
[00:05] <Magesteff> the broken gif text talks a lot about a queen
[00:06] <Magesteff> nice analogy
[00:06] exactly. something more is up, of course... but glad to know this isn't totally off the wall
[00:07] <Magesteff> That would make "The Operator" the worker who found a food source then wouldn't it?
[00:07] whoa, cool!
[00:07] yes! and think about the phasmid references - do walking stick insects eat mites, maybe?
[00:07] <Magesteff> I think they eat insects
[00:07] "The Operator"... lots of talk of the crew and so forth
[00:07] <Magesteff> let me go google
[00:08] awesome. i HAVE to go now, or my fiance will absolutely throttle me, but i'll ponder this and do more footwork tomorrow.


Note: after doing a bit of research: Phasmids eat plants, notable brambles such as blackberry
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irongoddess
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Phasmidia Elegans

I've heard discussion of "phasmids" being walking-stick insects: true, but that doesn't match the MAYDAY text:
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MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY
Phasmids.

I have to signal, I can't stay stranded here. But if I somehow am operating behind enemy lines, I don't want to draw attention to myself, either.

Therefore, I shall be a phasmid. Phasmidia Elegans, they call me-scourge of the sandbox.

God I hate it here.

Phasmids.

Some research turned up:
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phas·mid (fzmd)
n.

Either of a pair of caudal chemoreceptors occurring in nematodes of the class, Secernentea

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Main Entry: phas·mid
Pronunciation: 'fas-mid
Function: noun
: either of the paired lateral postanal organs characteristic of most parasitic nematodes and usually regarded as chemoreceptors —see PHASMIDIA

Main Entry: Phas·mid·ia
Pronunciation: faz-'mid-E-&
Function: noun plural
: a subclass of Nematoda comprising worms having typically papillose sensory organs, phasmids, lateral cervical papillae, and simple lateral sensory depressions at the anterior end which resemble pores —compare APHASMIDIA —phas·mid·ian /-&n/ noun

The only connection I've found between "phasmid" or "phasmidia" and "elegans" is in Caenorhabditis elegans, a soil-dwelling worm that's all the rage among genome researchers. It is in the class Secernentea and possesses phasmids, as do its class cousins.

How does this relate to "scourge of the sandbox"?

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irongoddess
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Roundworms

Roundworms are common sandbox parasites; some subclasses have phasmidia as described above. Calling roundworms "scourge of the sandbox" would be most appropriate. Why the entity wants to become one - or become an appendage of one - is anyone's guess.

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Omnie
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Hmm. So Phasmidia is the subclass of nematodes to which C. elegans belongs. The classification name more commonly used is Secernentea.

Origin of Secernentea is the Latin Secerno: to separate, hide

Origin of Phasmidia is the Greek Phasma: appearance

Plus, there's the family Phasmidae (containing the leaf insect things), called that because they mimic inanimate objects.

So there seems to be a theme here. Hiding by changing appearance? Disguise?

[edit] That dictionary seems to think that Secernentasida and Secernentea are different things, one being a class and the latter being a subclass, both of the nematode things. But other sources disagree and call the Phasmidia class Secernentea. Eh, either way, same root, right?

(Google only comes up with 8 pages for Secernentasida, so I'm going to go with Secernentea here)

[one more edit] In other, probably unrelated, news, phasmophobia is the fear of ghosts, where the root "phasma" is used to mean "apparition" rather than "appearance."

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Anonymous observed this, thought it should be posted here (or should it be in the "MAYDAY" thread? What is the purpose of the Reference Desk?):

Another random text-snippet from the "hacked" site:

"It happened one day, about noon, going towards my boat, I was exceedingly surprised with the print of a flea's naked foot on the shore, which was very plain to be seen on the sand."

Identical to a line from Robinson Crusoe, except the original line is "a man's naked foot," not a flea's.
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Aunt Margaret's Favorite Books

I have no idea if it means anything, but I did a quick bit of research on the authors that Margaret mentions on the about page.

Ellis Peters (real name Edith Pargeter): wrote the Brother Cadfael books, which are basically medieval mysteries set around the monestary where Cadfael has been living. She wrote approximately 20 books in this series before her death in 1995.

Alexander McCall Smith: author of the Precious Ramotswe series. Born in Zimbabwe and educated in Scotland. Currently Professor of Medical Law at the University of Edinburgh. Written 50+ books (including children's books) and started the Precious Ramotswe series in 1998 with the book, The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency.
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I looked up a little about those books, and as far as I know, none of them have anything to do with shipwrecks, bees, or computers.

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{Perhaps entirely unrelated, but keeping in mind the whole lilliputia idea and also looking into some emails from the way-prior Cortana thing that can be found referenced on the Marathon Story site, there has been much talk of giants...a man's naked footprint becomes a flea's naked footprint if you get tall enough...just a thought...

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knewter wrote:
{Perhaps entirely unrelated, but keeping in mind the whole lilliputia idea and also looking into some emails from the way-prior Cortana thing that can be found referenced on the Marathon Story site, there has been much talk of giants...a man's naked footprint becomes a flea's naked footprint if you get tall enough...just a thought...

Yeah, that's one thing that bothered me. Sand grains are too big for a flea's footprint to make an impression - it would just go through the grains.

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Comatas

http://www.ilovebees.com/comatas.html

Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but the story of Comatas is basically about a guy who gets locked in a box, and the Muses keep him alive by sending bees into the box to feed him.

And of course the name 'Comatas' is related to the Greek root word that gave us comatose and coma.

The Comatas tale, and some other bee/myth stuff, can be found here.
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Re: Comatas

Anton Sirius wrote:
Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but the story of Comatas is basically about a guy who gets locked in a box, and the Muses keep him alive by sending bees into the box to feed him.


A version I found stated that Comatas was sealed for three months.

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Comatas was an Italian shepherd most dedicated to the Muses. He frequently sacrificed his master's sheep to them in tribute. When the master discovered that Comatas was sacrificing his sheep to the Muses he locked Comatas in a caedar sarcophagus, and off-handedly said that since he was do dedicated to the Muses they would no doubt save him from death. Three months after the sarcophagus was sealed it was re-opened, and, much to the master's surprise, the Muses had indeed saved Comatas. They had been sending bees into the sarcophagus to give him food and water enough to live.


http://www.musesrealm.net/stories/comatas.html

Three months from August would be November, which is the announced release date for Halo 2.

I'll point out that in Halo 1 the main character, Master Chief is brought out of suspended animation (the sarcophagus?) at the beginning of the game.

My bit of speculation - the Covenant invasion begins in August. MC hears about it, and it takes 3 months for him to get back to Earth, spending the time in transit in suspended animation.

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Omnie wrote:
Hmm. So Phasmidia is the subclass of nematodes to which C. elegans belongs. The classification name more commonly used is Secernentea.


Hi folks, my first post here... gawd I hope I got the search right to make sure this hasn't been raised.

I did a google search on http://www.google.ca/search?q=Phasmidia+Elegans&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

This page came up from McGill University in Montreal: http://martin.parasitology.mcgill.ca/jimspage/biol/rhab.htm

Parasitology... so it's a parasitic creature. I'll quote the relevant part below...

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One such species of free-living nematodes, Caenorhabditis elegans, has a resistant third stage larvae called a dauer larva which is produced when environmental conditions become harsh. This larva is a non-feeding stage which is motile and very resistant to desiccation, and its behaviour and appearance is not unlike the infective stages in many parasitic species. It only molts to the L4 stage when conditions are once again favourable and it can return to its bacterial feeding existence.


If this is Bungie, 7 and 3 are their favourite numbers. Note the resistant third stage larvae; a "non feeding stage which is motile and very resistant to desiccation".

When the protagonist (AI?) is trying to become Phasmidia elegans, perhaps she is trying to reach the 3rd stage larva for protection in a hostile environment?

Now how this ties in with "terror of the sandbox" I'm not sure; I need to find a good resource to learn more.

-- Steve asks if there's a parasitologist in the house.

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Sandbox = computer?

I'm new here too. Be kind. Smile

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