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[OOG] [FANART] Cloverfield Marketing Style Guide Design
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Lambo_Diablo_Svtt
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tukmol wrote:
Upon further investigation, it shows that the two trolled link connecting the image to Ultraman is vaugely false

If one will observed the details and depth of the styleguide design, it doesnt show exact similarity for both the video and photo shared

Another finding I see here is that the moderators will just "conclude" and immediately consider this as a fan art without further investigating the difference.

I still stand that this is the closest I saw to the monster of Cloverfield.

I am not concluding but I got a huge amount of feeling that this is the closest to the real thing!

And Yeah... I read and checked every single responses made in this thread (15pages). Nay or Yay! I still think this is the closest one out there!


I think the two post below are "doubtful" due to their lack of presence and single post findings

GSamurai wrote:
I feel like I need to step in.

THAT IS NOT THE CLOVERFIELD MONSTER.

IT IS A MONSTER FROM THE "ULTRAMAN NEXUS" SERIES, CALLED "BUGBUZEN."

This is the only video of the beastie I could find online.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0GIQXsqFss

It's Bugbuzen's evolved form, Bugbuzen Blade (or "Blude" as spelled here. Wacky Japanese). Note the only differences are the blade arms and extra spikes, but that pic at the start of the convo is just fanart of Bugbuzen's original form.



tuatara1 wrote:
I finally joined just so I could add to the confirmation that the image is actually of Bugbuzun from Ultraman Nexus (and that video that was posted is actually Bugbuzun Golar, even though it says otherwise). I don't know much about Ultraman, this is just a bit of quick research. But anyway, here's a good head-on image of Bugbuzun that would put to rest the slightest bit of doubt about the origin of the original image:



Ok so, care to explain why this picture, which is the EXACT design, looks SO MUCH like a man in a rubber suit?



PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:19 pm
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I think the two post below are "doubtful" due to their lack of presence and single post findings


Wha-huh?

They're certainly much more believable than "here, I found this photo and now I'm posting it without any explanation as to where it came from. Trust me... Please?"

They may be "newbie" posters, but at least they have a much more convincing argument. I believe them and their evidence; am I qualified, in your eyes?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:22 pm
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 		It was immediately dismissed...after 13 some pages of posters trying to figure it out? Sorry, but 13 pages here is pretty substantial. Anyway, the tags are justifiable. They took a picture that had most of us intrigued and created some fan-art for Cloverfield. This is fairly common around here within numerous threads. Fan-art...that's all.

(After the fact...)It bordered on troll because they didn't immedietly say it was fan-art, and instead led us on an unnecessary wild goose chase. (Just goes to show how thorough people here are seeing how they found a pretty obscure rerefence like that.)

I stand by the tags though....they were more than fair.

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tukmol wrote:
throwbackchampion wrote:
Image taken from Cloverfield Marketing Style Guide


DesignClvrf-monster1



edit to add tag and subject description ~rose


Upon further investigation, it shows that the two trolled link connecting the image to Ultraman is vaugely false

If one will observed the details and depth of the styleguide design, it doesnt show exact similarity for both the video and photo shared

Another finding I see here is that the moderators will just "conclude" and immediately consider this as a fan art without further investigating the difference.

I still stand that this is the closest I saw to the monster of Cloverfield.

I am not concluding but I got a huge amount of feeling that this is the closest to the real thing!

And Yeah... I read and checked every single responses made in this thread (15pages). Nay or Yay! I still think this is the closest one out there!


I think the two post below are "doubtful" due to their lack of presence and single post findings

GSamurai wrote:
I feel like I need to step in.

THAT IS NOT THE CLOVERFIELD MONSTER.

IT IS A MONSTER FROM THE "ULTRAMAN NEXUS" SERIES, CALLED "BUGBUZEN."

This is the only video of the beastie I could find online.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0GIQXsqFss

It's Bugbuzen's evolved form, Bugbuzen Blade (or "Blude" as spelled here. Wacky Japanese). Note the only differences are the blade arms and extra spikes, but that pic at the start of the convo is just fanart of Bugbuzen's original form.



tuatara1 wrote:
I finally joined just so I could add to the confirmation that the image is actually of Bugbuzun from Ultraman Nexus (and that video that was posted is actually Bugbuzun Golar, even though it says otherwise). I don't know much about Ultraman, this is just a bit of quick research. But anyway, here's a good head-on image of Bugbuzun that would put to rest the slightest bit of doubt about the origin of the original image:



what???

its people like you that let O.J. Simpson go free the first time. It's the EXACT same monster. Just one's 2-dimensional and the other's 3 dimensional and less extravagant. Of course it's easier to make an elaborate drawing of a man in a costume, it's everything that costume can't be due to the reality that it's simply a man in a costume and not CGI.

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 		Geeze, how much more clear does it have to be that the drawing is Bugbuzun from Ultraman? If you saw an Indian elephant standing next to an African elephant, would you say the Indian one is not an elephant because it's ears are too small?
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Another finding I see here is that the moderators will just "conclude" and immediately consider this as a fan art without further investigating the difference.


edit to add: Given all the direct and indirect emphasis on properly tagging threads here, this is a totally reasonable point. I hope what I wrote here can be read as my attempt to explain what I do instead of as a lecture. I'm not lecturing you guys, I'm trying to communicate. But this dilemma of my trying and (frequently) failing to have a conversation has given me a great idea. (and, no it isn't to just shut the heck up. sorry. Wink ) I don't have time to go into that idea now but I will after the holidays. And again, Merry Christmas

I see a thread isn't tagged. I read it all. I follow the conclusions that the board seems to be coming to in the discussion. If there doesn't seem to be enough evidence, I tag it as [SPEC]or [INFO]and wait.

You probably missed it. For a while I had tagged this thread as a possible spoiler. People were saying they wished they had known it was a spoiler or they wouldn't have looked. Only after seeing what the forum was saying and looking at the images and the video did I change it.

The number of posts someone has is irrelevant next to the content. We have tons of lurkers who may only come forward when they feel they have something meaningful to share. I'm not going to dismiss someone's evidence or logical arguments just because they only have a few posts.

I'm not sure why the original person didn't come back to explain more, not that they are obligated to do so (possibly the bit of the witchhunt going on here linking to what might have been a personal photobucket account was a discouraging factor.)

Still, the tags aren't a statement of how I feel about something. When there is debate, the point is to reflect what the community concludes. If the community decides to reverse course on this one, which I doubt, but if we do, then it can be changed. This is a process...an undefinable and scarily wonderful process...mostly my job as a moderator is to facilitate discussion without screwing up that process.

Of course, the whole thing would probably have been avoided if the original poster had tagged this thread at the start. Smile

I'm just sayin'
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rose wrote:
I'm just sayin'

This is the word of Rose, for the people of Rose. Thanks be to Rose.

Amen

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 		Wow, I must say I take some offense to being called a troll simply because I hadn't actually posted on the forum previously. I've just never felt like I needed to contribute before. But I read this thread, saw the reference to Bugbuzun, watched the video, wasn't totally satisfied it was a complete match in that version (since the video is of Bugbuzun Golar), so I did a very simple Google search for other Bugbuzun images to post in the thread for anyone who was unconvinced by the video. The image I shared is a point-for-point match to the supposed style guide illustration at the start of the thread. In what way is that trolling? Perhaps I was better off not joining, then I wouldn't be dealing with insulting nonsense such as that. Such a welcoming environment. Truly.

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Perhaps I was better off not joining, then I wouldn't be dealing with insulting nonsense such as that. Such a welcoming environment. Truly.


I hope that if you read back over this thread you will see that most people, including me, immediately understood and accepted the veracity of what you posted. I thought it was immensely helpful. Several people doubted that this tightly guarded film would distribute something so easily leaked. But we needed someone to find out what this really was before we could label it one way or the other.

Thanks for your help.

And, welcome to unfiction. Very Happy
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tuatara1 wrote:
Wow, I must say I take some offense to being called a troll simply because I hadn't actually posted on the forum previously. I've just never felt like I needed to contribute before. But I read this thread, saw the reference to Bugbuzun, watched the video, wasn't totally satisfied it was a complete match in that version (since the video is of Bugbuzun Golar), so I did a very simple Google search for other Bugbuzun images to post in the thread for anyone who was unconvinced by the video. The image I shared is a point-for-point match to the supposed style guide illustration at the start of the thread. In what way is that trolling? Perhaps I was better off not joining, then I wouldn't be dealing with insulting nonsense such as that. Such a welcoming environment. Truly.


Yea dont leave. Notice how, the only guy who dissagreed with you seems to be alone in this argument? When that happens, you just learn to ignore those who make themselves look like idiots. Razz Your picture was very helpful in giving the last proof needed to seal the case.

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 		The word Troll has been thrown around a lot lately...

I think it is unfair and downright stupid to label someone a troll for only having one post. If said poster drops a turd and then leaves well maybe that is grounds for calling them a troll. But if their first post is the nail in the coffin much like tuatara1's was well, IMO great first post. And welcome.

BTW, the phrase, "I don't know much about Ultraman," is code for, "I'm a huge fan of Ultraman." Just Kidding.

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tuatara1 wrote:
Wow, I must say I take some offense to being called a troll simply because I hadn't actually posted on the forum previously.

I note that your detractor's post decrying your lack of posts was in fact their own very first post.

Don't sweat it.
Thanks for debunking a fake, saves us wasting too much time on it.
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 		I don't think anyone's post count should be used a a judgement on whether or not they can contribute to the forum. I notice by most people's join date, that very few of us have been here more than a few months. I myself only registered a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't come in blind, I'd been lurking on the board for months before I actually posted, so I pretty much knew what was going on.

Just because somebody only has 1 or 2 posts doesn't make them an uninformed idiot, they may have just not had a reason to register because they had nothing to contribute. Being a relative "noob" here myself, I'm more than willing to give anyone the benifit of the doubt, untill they're proved wrong, or TROUTED!

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 		Well, thank you very much for the encouraging comments. My faith in humanity is restored, if ever so slightly. Very Happy Honestly, I really do appreciate it. Maybe it was just reading those troll comments first thing on Christmas morning that was just very disappointing, but it really got to me. Thanks for reminding me that not everyone's like that. And as for "I don't know much about Ultraman" being code for "I'm a huge fan of Ultraman," nah. Rodan, though...now that's where it's at. Smile

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starshiptrooper wrote:
I don't think anyone's post count should be used a a judgement on whether or not they can contribute to the forum. I notice by most people's join date, that very few of us have been here more than a few months. I myself only registered a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't come in blind, I'd been lurking on the board for months before I actually posted, so I pretty much knew what was going on.

Just because somebody only has 1 or 2 posts doesn't make them an uninformed idiot, they may have just not had a reason to register because they had nothing to contribute. Being a relative "noob" here myself, I'm more than willing to give anyone the benifit of the doubt, untill they're proved wrong, or TROUTED!


Why dont you bash it out first to those who judges "one post" responses at the beginning of this thread?

Anyways, if somehow those two I mentioned got offended by my "troll" comments, its just my open based opinion. Nevertheless the pictures share still shows a midget size arms for the Ultraman Monster and its far fromt he design guid posted at by the OP

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