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[SPEC] Numerology in regards to a theory of mine
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phantomjester
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[SPEC] Numerology in regards to a theory of mine

I just posted this in a different thread:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=443067#443067

but i figured it deserved it's own thread so here it is:

The attack is planned by ganu as revenge for WWII. either they found/made mgp and moved him to chaui, or the a-bombs dropped on japan in ww2 mutated something into mgp. one thing that made think this was the argument that people were making about "if marlena is exploding because of slusho why haven't japanese people exploded before?" that is how i got on this train of thought (thinking the a-bomb either made the dsi in that area non-toxic to humans or made people in the area unaffected), but from the recent commercial's i think she is obviously bitten and that is why she blows up.

but back on subject; I think that it could be a planned attack and they wake up mgp, lead him to nyc with a tanker full of his food (dsi is not parts of him, it is his source of sustainance) and then when they into ny harbor, they set off the explosion to spill all the dsi into the water to get mgp interested, and then he smells all the dsi in nyc from all the slusho drinkers and goes crazy.

i have found a couple of coincidences that i think could support this theory:
Tagruato was founded in 1945, same year as the a-bombs being dropped.
if you are at all familiar with numerology you multiple digit numbers, and keep adding the separate digits together until you get a single digit number i.e. (the date of the nagasaki bomb being dropped) 8/9/1945 or 891945, add the digits and you get 36, add those digits and you get 9;
take 1/18/08 or 11808 (i am using 08 instead of 2008 because all the advertising uses 0 add the digits and it comes out to 18 which 1 + 8 comes out to 9 as well.

or you can take each of the separated numbers and it works out to be the same thing 8/ (already 1 digit nothing is done to it) 9/ 1945 (1+9+4+5 =19 1+9 = 10 1+0 = 1), so you are left with 891 which would than translate to 18, 1+8 =9. then doing the same thing with 1/18/08 the only number that needs to be added is 18 (obviously 0+8 = and 1+8 =9 so we have 198 adds up to 18 which translates to 9.

I just made the numerology connection tonight and i am going crazy with it. I will probably post this comment in a new thread in a minute. so let me know what you think.

You can also use numerology on words, but the problem there is that there are literally dozens of different ways for letters to be represented, I think that the most plausible one for the pms to use (that is if they are using one at all) would be the most simple one a=1 b=2 c=3 ... and so on all the way to z=26, i have been trying with different words associated with the film (tagruato, cloverfield, chaui, chaui station, ganu, yoshida, ganu yoshida... etc.) but no 9's yet, several 6's and 3's though.

I will keep wracking my brains for other similarities and posting them here if you find any let me know, and for a quick reference to numerology check here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology

p.s. wooohooo for my 50th post!! hehe.

Edit - Tagged, please don't cross-post in future, if you think it deserves its own thread then start one rather than unnecessary duplication - MikeyJ

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Numerologists generally use this chart for number/letter correlations. Happy number hunting!


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This reminds me of "The Number 23".

Just hope he doesn't go mad and kill his gf. Confused

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what the heck is "mgp"?

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mgp
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mr grumpy pants

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ah...code name for our new monster, eh? gotchya.

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I thought MGP is what you did after drinking too much MGD.
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in case you were curious mr grumpy pants translates out to 3. but one thing i did notice that i found interesting (something that even the pm's can't control) is that nagasaki also converts down to a 9.

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phantomjester wrote:
in case you were curious mr grumpy pants translates out to 3. but one thing i did notice that i found interesting (something that even the pm's can't control) is that nagasaki also converts down to a 9.


Why is that interesting?
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Caerwiden wrote:
phantomjester wrote:
in case you were curious mr grumpy pants translates out to 3. but one thing i did notice that i found interesting (something that even the pm's can't control) is that nagasaki also converts down to a 9.


Why is that interesting?


please read first post of thread before commenting on the last one!

it is interesting because of the fact that the number 9 shows up in the numerological break downs in the original post. now if the pms were trying to think of ways to code things for us to find out (anagrams, numerology, acronyms, etc...) and the film is about some japanese guy getting revenge because of the a-bomb on nagasaki in WWII and they realized that the date the movie is coming out, as well as the date of an a-bomb, and the name of the city the a-bomb hit all boiled down to the number 9 in numerology, they might lean towards using it.

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While interesting, I don't think this is actually of much [ie any] significance. Not to put anyone down, but if you look hard enough, you can make any connections. There's always a 1/9 chance that any two dates will like up according to numerology. And this has loopholes that are obvious, namely that you get 2 instead of 9 if you use "2008" instead of "08".
This kinda reminds me of something I did while bored a few weeks ago. I took the numbers found on the TIDOWave site, and found the characters that aligned with them on a Tagruato page. It came out with NIN [Nine Inch Nails]. When I googled Cloverfield and NIN together I found that not only was the CLoverfield trailer and a NIN video featured on the Apple HD page at the same time, but that NIN's latest album has an ARG associated with it. Connection? Not a chance. It just proves that if you look hard enough, anything can be connected.
The whole deal with the "the number 23" has already been brought up for more proof.
Even if numerology was used, I'd really think they'd use six (you can only drink 6, etc) instead of nine, but that's just my opinion and really doesn't matter.
Good work though, numerology can be a ton of fun. I sometimes do it with whatever numbers I see when I'm really bored. Razz

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I've always thought that sort of "number logic" was terribly inaccurate, or usually just blatantly made up. The Masonic theories, 9/11.... just so much black chopper conspiracy theories imo. I mean really.. do you think they masterminded the attacks SO well, they found the flights they wanted on the dates they wanted to make a point? Please. Yet people buy into this stuff wholeheartedly. And heck, Afghanistan has 11 letters, omg! People get all over that. As if people naming countries thousands of years ago were doing so for some grand scheme in the future.

It's like that random letter thing people got all over the last few years. Pick random letters in pages of books like the Bible, and secret messages are revealed, omg! Because 10's of thousands of random letters couldn't possibly be reorganized into whatever order you wanted to say almost anything.

I found it pretty funny when someone refuted it by finding massively important messages.. in Moby Dick. Razz

It's just #'s.. I doubt even in this movie, they went through the trouble of playing with them to the point of it being the storyline. But goes to show you.. you can make almost any theory if you want to badly enough.

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1+18+08=27
8-4=4
27-4=23

8+8=16
16+8=23 Shocked Shocked Shocked

OH SNAP! Shocked Shocked Shocked

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Mystlyfe wrote:
While interesting, I don't think this is actually of much [ie any] significance. Not to put anyone down, but if you look hard enough, you can make any connections. There's always a 1/9 chance that any two dates will like up according to numerology. And this has loopholes that are obvious, namely that you get 2 instead of 9 if you use "2008" instead of "08".
This kinda reminds me of something I did while bored a few weeks ago. I took the numbers found on the TIDOWave site, and found the characters that aligned with them on a Tagruato page. It came out with NIN [Nine Inch Nails]. When I googled Cloverfield and NIN together I found that not only was the CLoverfield trailer and a NIN video featured on the Apple HD page at the same time, but that NIN's latest album has an ARG associated with it. Connection? Not a chance. It just proves that if you look hard enough, anything can be connected.
The whole deal with the "the number 23" has already been brought up for more proof.
Even if numerology was used, I'd really think they'd use six (you can only drink 6, etc) instead of nine, but that's just my opinion and really doesn't matter.
Good work though, numerology can be a ton of fun. I sometimes do it with whatever numbers I see when I'm really bored. Razz


ok so i think you are misinterpreting my thoughts on the use of the numerology. I am not saying any of the far fetched crazy thoughts. i just had this theory about WWII and when checking into things stumbled across the numerology coincidence. That got me thinking, if i was going to be making an ARG for a movie I would be cycling through several different methods of hiding clues or whatnot (numerology, acronyms, codes, anagrams, and so on.) and if the movie that i was making the game for just happened to involve WWII and the a-bombs and i found a coincidental connection through one of those methods to the release date and WWII i would definitely try to use that method in the ARG, history would have accidentally done part of my job for me. so no i dont think that they planned the date of the movie to revolve around the numbers, nor do i think that j.j. abrahms/paramount/the pm's built a time machine and went back to change the date of the nagasaki bombing, or the name of the city to which it happened, just if i were making this game and stumbled across the connection, i would probably use it to my advantage.

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avpruler wrote:
1+18+08=27
8-4=4
27-4=23

8+8=16
16+8=23 Shocked Shocked Shocked

OH SNAP! Shocked Shocked Shocked

16+8= 24
Jack Bauer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am coming in 21 dayz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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