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[UPDATE] Jamieandteddy video #6 is out.
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Kraker
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Euchre wrote:
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Those of you saying that this new video doesn't give any new information obviously weren't paying attention during the last ten seconds or so. Either that or they're too thick to realize the significance of Tagruato actually calling her back.

Since when do you get call backs for calling a company and asking for a random person? Never. They have a sudden interest in her because she asked to speak to someone they have taken prisoner.

The result of this last video is that Jamie is now a target for Tagruato, or at least very much on their radar.

You put it so nicely.
The problem with how people here tend to say things like "we knew that already" is that some here had speculated something like this already. Now that it's confirmed, they would like to act all clever and jaded if they came up with or strongly supported the idea. Others might acted jaded like that to dismiss anything but the most revolutionary and profound disclosures - because it seems 'cool'.
Why not just put it in a nice objective way?
This video confirms what some here had suspected, that Tagruato is aware of who Teddy is, because they have pretty likely detained him - but would prefer to deny it.

I guess it's a matter of those that value the entertainment value of the wild speculations and stunning news over the clear facts of the movie. I enjoy the whole cycle of speculation, debate, and the eventual confirmation or invalidation of our theories.


To be honest, even if Tagruato knows about Jamie, it doesn't leave much to move on from. We have no leads anywhere else (for now, of course) and I still stand by my reasoning that this was mainly a way to let us know that we could abandon the site.

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Kraker wrote:
Euchre wrote:
TheMaximum wrote:
Those of you saying that this new video doesn't give any new information obviously weren't paying attention during the last ten seconds or so. Either that or they're too thick to realize the significance of Tagruato actually calling her back.

Since when do you get call backs for calling a company and asking for a random person? Never. They have a sudden interest in her because she asked to speak to someone they have taken prisoner.

The result of this last video is that Jamie is now a target for Tagruato, or at least very much on their radar.

You put it so nicely.
The problem with how people here tend to say things like "we knew that already" is that some here had speculated something like this already. Now that it's confirmed, they would like to act all clever and jaded if they came up with or strongly supported the idea. Others might acted jaded like that to dismiss anything but the most revolutionary and profound disclosures - because it seems 'cool'.
Why not just put it in a nice objective way?
This video confirms what some here had suspected, that Tagruato is aware of who Teddy is, because they have pretty likely detained him - but would prefer to deny it.

I guess it's a matter of those that value the entertainment value of the wild speculations and stunning news over the clear facts of the movie. I enjoy the whole cycle of speculation, debate, and the eventual confirmation or invalidation of our theories.


To be honest, even if Tagruato knows about Jamie, it doesn't leave much to move on from. We have no leads anywhere else (for now, of course) and I still stand by my reasoning that this was mainly a way to let us know that we could abandon the site.


Alright. If your reasoning is correct, than the last video serves as a means to tell us that Jamie&Teddy is "over". This seems unlikely to me (probably wishful thinking), but either way, it is very likely that Jamie will be abducted by Tagruato, in order to silence her. It's likely they think she knows too much. Which she would, if she wasn't being stupid.

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 		The fact that she went to the trouble to call in the first place means she probably won't let it go. (Jaime is passive aggressive after all -_-)With a few weeks left it's still possible for her to make one more video...(I still have to question the time-stamps and how relevant they are now with all the talk about the attack not being on January 18...) I'm gonna assume that if she was in fact at the party then the last video will either be a reveal of the evidence....with little interest from Jaime...or gradually building paranoia from meeting the same fate as Teddy. Maybe both?

Of course, if the time-stamps mean nothing they could always go the somewhat cheesy route of her next video being her own capture. Some men in black suits taking her away and maybe looking at the camera in a "You didn't see nothing" kind of way...maybe not even noticing it...although how the video gets posted would be a flaw in that theory.(They could just overlook it for dramatic effect?)lol

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Kraker wrote:
Euchre wrote:

The problem with how people here tend to say things like "we knew that already" is that some here had speculated something like this already. Now that it's confirmed, they would like to act all clever and jaded if they came up with or strongly supported the idea. Others might acted jaded like that to dismiss anything but the most revolutionary and profound disclosures - because it seems 'cool'.
Why not just put it in a nice objective way?
This video confirms what some here had suspected, that Tagruato is aware of who Teddy is, because they have pretty likely detained him - but would prefer to deny it.

I guess it's a matter of those that value the entertainment value of the wild speculations and stunning news over the clear facts of the movie. I enjoy the whole cycle of speculation, debate, and the eventual confirmation or invalidation of our theories.


To be honest, even if Tagruato knows about Jamie, it doesn't leave much to move on from. We have no leads anywhere else (for now, of course) and I still stand by my reasoning that this was mainly a way to let us know that we could abandon the site.

I didn't say that we will see more videos from Jamie, my commentary was about those that say this 'doesn't tell us anything'.

However...
I don't think anything here really does tell us either way if she would post a new video or not. Even if she doesn't, there are other ways the site might give us more in the future. It's likely Tagruato will make an effort to find it, and if they do chances are they might do some hacking work of their own. I'd expect to see some IG notice in place of the site if they did put such a thing into the storyline. I suspect only the front page of the site would be effected, because in the need to have people be exposed to the promotion they'd want to have people still be able to see the videos to 'catch up' on the story. Unlike Tagruato's site, it wouldn't make too much sense for jamieandteddy.com to be restored if Teddy is captured and the tech inept Jamie is the only one that can really take care of it. I figure the videos would still be there if you used direct links (which is essentially an OOG way to look at them), but the password access page would be gone (the IG way to get to the videos).
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 		Wishful Thinking
Maybe the Tagruato guys will come in a grab dumb, ol' Jamie and she'll leave the web cam on so we can see it.

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Kraker wrote:
Except Tagruato probably doesn't even know the names of those of the cause. If there's a protest outside your building, you don't know their names, you know they're there and you have to deal with them.


Except we know that teddy snuck onboard the Chuai station, we know he stole and sent something from there, and we know that something big was supposed to happen a couple weeks back (the event), and we know something went wrong and he (and the cause agents with him) haven't been able to contact anyone since.

This is alot more than a protest outside your building once, this is living on the station as a hire, stealing something and sending it to jaimie for safekeeping in case something went wrong (the stolen DSI is probably what started the communication lockdown) and then attempting sabotage.

Yeah. Tag knows who teddy is by now, and need to cover up that they are holding him illegally, or had to dump his body, and get that DSI back...

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 		Maybe they were trying to delay Jamie on the phone to try and trace the telephone number back to where she lives, but since she hung up, they couldn't finish so that is maybe why they called back.

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 		Re: Wishful Thinking
Her wrote:
Maybe the Tagruato guys will come in a grab dumb, ol' Jamie and she'll leave the web cam on so we can see it.


But then who would upload the video to the site? Shocked

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 		I think the purpose of the video was just to say that the Jamie part is done too. Video 5 said that too but left an opening. This video was to make it clear that "Yes we really want you to believe a character would stop listening to a recording and never go back and finish it because she's angry."

Another video would be dumb anyway. If this woman is so sure it's just a game to dump her because he doesn't respond then why keep posting videos he won't watch? The only reason for another video would be if she had a change of mind after, FINALLY, listening to the whole tape WEEKS LATER.
Frankly it just strains credibility too far.

At this point I'm hoping I don't hear from "Jamie" again till 1-18-08 where I will be hoping against all odds that the SOL head does crush her EARLY in the film. The entire Jamie plot and how it's been handled has been the worst part of this ARG IMHO.

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 		I think the video also implies that
1) Tagruato is dangerous
2) They now know that Jamie has information on them
3) They now have her telephone number
and 4) Jamie could be in danger for having evidence on Tagruato.

I think it would have been even creepier if the phone had started rining again as she closed the camera.

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 		We should really keep an eye on her MySpace page, as was stated earlier.
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Animaniac wrote:
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Except Tagruato probably doesn't even know the names of those of the cause. If there's a protest outside your building, you don't know their names, you know they're there and you have to deal with them.


Except we know that teddy snuck onboard the Chuai station, we know he stole and sent something from there, and we know that something big was supposed to happen a couple weeks back (the event), and we know something went wrong and he (and the cause agents with him) haven't been able to contact anyone since.

This is alot more than a protest outside your building once, this is living on the station as a hire, stealing something and sending it to jaimie for safekeeping in case something went wrong (the stolen DSI is probably what started the communication lockdown) and then attempting sabotage.

Yeah. Tag knows who teddy is by now, and need to cover up that they are holding him illegally, or had to dump his body, and get that DSI back...


I'm just wondering, how do you know all of that, or is it just speculation? All Jamie has is "evidence A", which was obviously aquired way before the cause.

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 		Yeah! How do you know all that????

s'plain Lucy!!!!!

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Kraker wrote:
Animaniac wrote:
Kraker wrote:
Except Tagruato probably doesn't even know the names of those of the cause. If there's a protest outside your building, you don't know their names, you know they're there and you have to deal with them.


Except we know that teddy snuck onboard the Chuai station, we know he stole and sent something from there, and we know that something big was supposed to happen a couple weeks back (the event), and we know something went wrong and he (and the cause agents with him) haven't been able to contact anyone since.

This is alot more than a protest outside your building once, this is living on the station as a hire, stealing something and sending it to jaimie for safekeeping in case something went wrong (the stolen DSI is probably what started the communication lockdown) and then attempting sabotage.

Yeah. Tag knows who teddy is by now, and need to cover up that they are holding him illegally, or had to dump his body, and get that DSI back...


I'm just wondering, how do you know all of that, or is it just speculation? All Jamie has is "evidence A", which was obviously aquired way before the cause.


I'll take a crack at this. Smile

We know Teddy "snuck" on board the station and sent something (presumably stolen) marked "Evidence A" to Jaime from video 5. We also learn about "the event", which was supposed to happen at or around the time Jamie opened her package, from video 5, and we know that the event didn't go as planned thanks to the TIDO blog (source). The "repeat event" scheduled for the week of the 14th (same source) also did not go off without a hitch, which we know thanks (again) to the TIDO blog (source. The person who made that post says "Please contact me if you have any information on Randy or the others," and "Backup desperately needed," so presumably the members of TIDO who went to the "second event" are being held incommunicado (or are dead); otherwise, they would have checked back in with the poster. Ditto for Teddy; he explicitly tells Jamie in video 5 that if she hasn't heard from him, he's been captured or killed by Tagruato.

That heavily implies that the package he sent Jamie was sent to her for safekeeping in case something went wrong.

Video 6 proves, clearly, that Tagruato DOES know who Teddy is. She wouldn't have been transferred to someone who wanted her address if they didn't.

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 		I didn't read the entire thread, so sorry if I repeat something.

I think this vid 6 was nothing more than just a confirmation that Jamie's giving up on Teddy. Now we know for sure that she doesn't care abuot him anymore (or at least trying not to), and that we won't see her anymore in these vids.

And from what the pics can tell from 1-18-08.com, she is having a good time at the party. I'm pretty sure that's a clear sign that she gets/is getting over all of this...meaning no more contact from Tagruato and never believing the truth about Teddy because if either of those events happened before the movie takes place, I doubt if she'd be at the party.

That's what I think. Again, sorry if any or all of this has been said already.

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