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pauinha6
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yanka wrote:
pauinha6 wrote:
ok, so, using spoiler tags and answering to the " is the game a flashback" comment...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
according to some very-into-detail-people (not hackers so far) the day that Sam was watching the news (on the first video of the find815 site) you could see on the down part of the screen this running data on dowjones and other banks....

someone noticed and search the day for that exact data, only one came up, duh

Jan, 13th, 2006!!!

so, it is past, like a year ago, but future for our losties, who apparently are about to be hit with a tsunami!!!



Spoiler-tagging aside, the ticker says that the DOW is at 8424.25. The DOW has not been that low since mid-2003 (ref). NASDAQ wasn't near 2300 at that time; it did hit 2316 (on the way up and down) a few times in 2006 (ref). Why pick Jan 13 in particular? S&P 500 wasn't at 1600 at that time, though (or any time in 2006). I'm not sure whether it could have hit 1600 mid-day (though it seems improbable), but the DOW certainly couldn't have hit 8400 mid-of-any-day in 2006. Either I am missing something, or their market indices are just wrong and we shouldn't attempt to derive dates from them, or the future changed drastically in Lost universe. Either way, Jan 13 seems no more or less likely from the market data to me than any other day.


here's where i found this date:
http://find815.blogspot.com/2008/01/date-of-newscast.html

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yanka
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pauinha6 wrote:

here's where i found this date:
http://find815.blogspot.com/2008/01/date-of-newscast.html


Thanks for the source; it seems that that guy Adam is just plain wrong. Here are the market values from the video:

NASDAQ: 2316.08
S&P 500: 1623.24
DOW: 8424.15

The "financial record" he refers to lists:

DJIA 10,959.87 -2.49
S&P 1,287.61 +1.55
NASDAQ 2,317.04 +0.35

for Jan. 13, 2006. So, I am even further baffled as to why he picked this date. And, like I said, the DOW has not been that low since mid-2003, which is well (a full year) before the crash. The only conclusion I can come up with from this: the market data is rubbish, and should not be used for arriving at a date. I haven't really started playing yet, but I am sure that there are plenty of other clues to arrive at a more accurate date.
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pauinha6
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yanka wrote:
pauinha6 wrote:

here's where i found this date:
http://find815.blogspot.com/2008/01/date-of-newscast.html


Thanks for the source; it seems that that guy Adam is just plain wrong. Here are the market values from the video:

NASDAQ: 2316.08
S&P 500: 1623.24
DOW: 8424.15

The "financial record" he refers to lists:

DJIA 10,959.87 -2.49
S&P 1,287.61 +1.55
NASDAQ 2,317.04 +0.35

for Jan. 13, 2006. So, I am even further baffled as to why he picked this date. And, like I said, the DOW has not been that low since mid-2003, which is well (a full year) before the crash. The only conclusion I can come up with from this: the market data is rubbish, and should not be used for arriving at a date. I haven't really started playing yet, but I am sure that there are plenty of other clues to arrive at a more accurate date.


i didn't check his data but i will look into this a bit more...
thx for your help

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 		I'm just a pragmatic guy ... when I hinted we're playing in the past , one of the reasons considered was that in real life active search for planes is always done in the first days of a crash , a week at most ... but not a year after the crash and certainly not 3 years after , not by the company that crashed the plane anyway , it's logical in a way : for economical reasons they would want the incident to be forgotten , not remembered but their own active search .



ETA : find815.com would be in the past , but I think the flyoceanic might be in the present since when Sam hacks their ad it seems like he has more news than what we are playing right now .

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 		Re: Billboards
codes?
dposse wrote:
nelbot wrote:
dposse wrote:
nelbot wrote:
So is anyone on here tracking the billboards as they are being posted? I hear that the Portland billboard has some secretish message in Korean, the Tustin one has been found but we haven't decyphered any coded message yet. I heard rumors of Ames being located but not seen a pic yet. Anyone else here working on this that we can put our heads together?

Tustin's billboard says:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
discover the mysteries of Berlin


But Oceanic doesn't fly to that destination so what other mysteries are welooking for with that city?!?

edited for no good reason what so ever


we need actual PICTURES of these billboards. we cannot rely on what you, or others say. Tell these people who are looking for these billboards to guy buy a camera from CVS or something. They sell disposable digital Cameras for like $20.


There are pictures- I'm just a little busy to cut and paste everything for you- Speaker has the two available so far up at Evil Pupet Masters- Ames has been talked about but they didn't have a picture yet so far as I know so only Portland and Tustin are confirmed....

we have Tustin to Berlin and Portland to Seoul- I'm playing with an anagram engine right now- out of Tustin/ Berlin I get Isn't Turbine among other things- might be nothing but maybe it will be a start of an idea...


http://www.evilpuppetmasters.com/images/portland.jpg

http://www.evilpuppetmasters.com/images/tustin.jpg


OH! why didn't you say that in the first place? :p this is awesome. i'm gonna go post infomation about this on lostpedia...


Sorry- I'm crazy at work and covering for two people out with the flu on top of that but still trying to keep up here- means a little distrated in my multi-tasking - I'll try to be be cognizant of how coherent I'm coming through,

So anyone with a working knowledge of Korean- or a connection to hit up for a translation and double check what the Portland billboard sign says about the 6?

so the clock in the Ames pic is at 8:15- can we come up with any credible theories of what the hidden clue is in the Tustin pic? I'll try to get back to my anagram engine if work settles and maybe that track I was on will pay off...

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 		In the Tustin-Berlin ad, maybe the windows on the plane? (16...1, 2, 1, 2, 4, 12) otherwise I'm stumped if there is a clue on that one...

In the Tustin-Seoul ad, there's numbers 6, 3F and 2F... *shrug*
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pauinha6
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pauinha6 wrote:
yanka wrote:
pauinha6 wrote:

here's where i found this date:
http://find815.blogspot.com/2008/01/date-of-newscast.html


Thanks for the source; it seems that that guy Adam is just plain wrong. Here are the market values from the video:

NASDAQ: 2316.08
S&P 500: 1623.24
DOW: 8424.15

The "financial record" he refers to lists:

DJIA 10,959.87 -2.49
S&P 1,287.61 +1.55
NASDAQ 2,317.04 +0.35

for Jan. 13, 2006. So, I am even further baffled as to why he picked this date. And, like I said, the DOW has not been that low since mid-2003, which is well (a full year) before the crash. The only conclusion I can come up with from this: the market data is rubbish, and should not be used for arriving at a date. I haven't really started playing yet, but I am sure that there are plenty of other clues to arrive at a more accurate date.


i didn't check his data but i will look into this a bit more...
thx for your help



i was just informed that the video values for the stock market were changed.....
guess TPTB weren't expecting such thorough layers Wink

i'll try to find the original video.... but i dunno if it's still around.....


EDIT: i DID found it, but the image is NOT HD!!! so, try to see the numbers... you'll see they match Adams findings...
even tho the image sucks, you can clearly see the NASDAQ value is 2.317, not 2.316, the S&P 500 is 1,2.. not 1.6... and DOWJ is 10. ....



also, if you look at the values when Sam appears in the newscast, you can see the previous values, as posted by Adam!!!

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 		I didn't see this on here yet, but I might have missed it, I did kind of just skim the posts I've missed since I've been sleeping and at school (you guys have been busy!! Lot's of posts!)

According to DarkUFO, the phone number that we got yesterday after the clue hunt now gives this message (I tried calling again just now, but for some reason it said my call can't be completed as dialed, even though I'm sure I used the right number...)

Quote:
Thank you for calling the Oceanic Airlines flight 815 hotline. Information is updated as the investigation proceeds. Investigations are thorough and, as such, may take a period of time to complete. At this time we do not have any additional information regarding the crash of flight 815. If you are a family member or relative of a passenger on Oceanic flight 815, we are sorry for your loss. Detailed information is given during the daily family briefings. This briefing updates families on the progress of the investigation and allows for questions to be asked of the medical examiner or coroner and other parties connected to the investigation. Please contact your accident coordinator or call back later for more information.


It's funny that they didn't have it updated when they released the puzzle... this whole game seems very poorly organized... Confused

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 		Can i just be cruel and point out that sams phone can't spell?

"you're going to LOOSE your job"

(yes, i accidentally switched on subtitles Razz)

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thebruce wrote:
In the Tustin-Berlin ad, maybe the windows on the plane? (16...1, 2, 1, 2, 4, 12) otherwise I'm stumped if there is a clue on that one...

In the Tustin-Seoul ad, there's numbers 6, 3F and 2F... *shrug*


Actually the ad for the seoul destination is the billboard from Portland thus it is:

Tustin to Berlin (some possible reference/clue no one has figured yet)
Ames to London (big ben says 8:15)
Portland to Seoul (Korean words supposedly say something about 6- presumably the "Oceanic 6" from recently leaked show spoilers -if you want the spoiler details google Oceanic 6- I can't read Korean therefore we need this confirmed but its on reputable message boards)

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 		a few days late but i'm brushing the dust off for this one. missed the original not missing this.
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 		Knoxville billboard rumored spotted
no picture yet
I'm hearing that Knoxville's billboard might have been spotted but no one has pics yet that I've found- keep your eyes open for it folks...

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 		Phone Message
Could the phone message contains a clue or message?
I should preface this by stating that I did not play the first game in this series. However, I have participated in other viral campaigns such as Vanishing point. With this in mind, I am tempted to believe that the very odd delivery of Sam's Mother's phone message might have been done on purpose as opposed to a very poor acting job. In addition, if the message does not contain a code, why would the puppeteers have included the sound wave aspect? My initial thought was that it contained information to find a phone number. However, using the number of words and the breaks in the wave patterns, I got 3 7 3 13 10 8 8 2 3. Unfortunately, the count does not work and the area code, 373, does not exist.
Getting back to my initial point, I have just started playing and as such, feel free to let me know if I am making something out of nothing. Also, if you can break down the message in terms of syllables or something else completely perhaps a message could be found.

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EisforEmerald wrote:
It's funny that they didn't have it updated when they released the puzzle... this whole game seems very poorly organized... Confused

On the one hand, I agree--the phone number should have been ready when the related content was officially released. On the other, running an ARG is hard. Content needs to be synchronized (and this whole keyword/password activity thing makes it look like it needs to be synchronized out to 3rd party [advertising?] partner sites, as well, so you have disparate groups that all need to be on the same page.) Servers need to be configured properly and able to handle sufficient load. Story, images, sound, and video need to be free of continuity and other errors, lest they need to be revised after being initially posted.

Let's hope the PMs learn from early mistakes and produce flawless chapters in the future!
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 		Re: Phone Message
Could the phone message contains a clue or message?
mernmern wrote:
I should preface this by stating that I did not play the first game in this series. However, I have participated in other viral campaigns such as Vanishing point. With this in mind, I am tempted to believe that the very odd delivery of Sam's Mother's phone message might have been done on purpose as opposed to a very poor acting job. In addition, if the message does not contain a code, why would the puppeteers have included the sound wave aspect? My initial thought was that it contained information to find a phone number. However, using the number of words and the breaks in the wave patterns, I got 3 7 3 13 10 8 8 2 3. Unfortunately, the count does not work and the area code, 373, does not exist.
Getting back to my initial point, I have just started playing and as such, feel free to let me know if I am making something out of nothing. Also, if you can break down the message in terms of syllables or something else completely perhaps a message could be found.


I might be TOTALLY wrong about this, since it just started a few days ago, but it seems like, so far at least, this whole thing has been VERY straightforward. We haven't really found any hidden info or clues in anything (besides pretty much pointless anagrams hidden in source code). That might change in the future, and you might very well be right (that acting job was terrible, I'm kind of hoping now that it was intentional Razz). I definitely think we should be thinking about things like that and keeping our eyes open for similar clues, and I'm glad you mentioned it because I wouldn't have thought of it myself, but I just don't know how overboard we should go.

I guess time will tell, I'm kind of hoping it gets harder and more involved like that, but we'll see.

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