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[SPEC] Description of new footage?
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m_talon
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 		Ok, so Dennis posted up an article on Variety about Cloverfield.

http://cloverfieldclues.blogspot.com/2008/01/cloverfield-article-on-variety.html

To avoid the trout, I'll just hit the part pertinent to the discussion:

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"Cloverfield" thesp T. J. Miller's handling of a lightweight Panasonic HD HandyCam accounts for about an eighth of the final film.

"The little camera establishes a feel -- its grace notes; you see the reflections of the actor holding the camera," says Reeves, who reserved the minicam for intimate scenes among the actors. He kept tweaking those scenes, shooting as many as 60 takes.

The film starts out with the Panasonic, then moves into transitional sequences shot with a 3-lb. Canon for about a third of the film.

For the widescreen scenes with visual effects, which require higher resolution, a cameraman dressed like Hud sports the much-heavier hi-res Sony F23 or Thomson Viper.


Sooo...we have a combination of actor-filmed and pro-filmed footage on cameras ranging from a Best Buy special to a serious movie camera. I was wrong and right. In any case, I don't want to sound like I'm trying to validate the original post about the screening. It's still questionable...at least for another couple weeks. Smile

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It's still questionable...at least for another couple weeks. Smile


Oh, absolutely, we don't have much to go on either way.

I'd imagine from that interview that most of the TJ Miller filmed stuff is at the party, it says it starts out with that camera.

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 		Screw it....!

I believe the footage description in the OP's post.

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 		The information in the Variety article pretty much says all shot are done in an amateur style, even the ones with larger cameras.
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Euchre wrote:
The information in the Variety article pretty much says all shot are done in an amateur style, even the ones with larger cameras.


I still think you're reading too much into the description,
Watch the camera perfectly tracking the statue head, and slowly zooming out after it lands.

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I still think you're reading too much into the description,
Watch the camera perfectly tracking the statue head, and slowly zooming out after it lands.

If you call a shaky shot and loosing the SoL head behind an SUV a perfectly tracking shot, OK...
Then it goes to a very off focus, over zoomed in view of the forehead of Lady Liberty. It stays pretty badly in that tight over zoomed shot a fair while after the camera is fully focused.
The 'professional' part of these shoots is that some things are placed in the shot that might normally have been missed, like when Hawk runs up to Lily after the shot backs out to see the whole SoL head.
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 		All I'm saying is there's nothing in the description that fits with what you're saying, it's describing the thing being filmed from a video camera, which catches glimpses of the action, and mentions shaking and blurring.

It doesn't matter to me if it's real or not, we've already guessed this thing can attack helicopters, so it doesn't really tell us much.

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 		These are the references I'm talking about:
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The camera pointed at a building and then slowly panning out:

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The camera touching on every single person.

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For the widescreen scenes with visual effects, which require higher resolution, a cameraman dressed like Hud sports the much-heavier hi-res Sony F23 or Thomson Viper.


I don't understand this part. First of all is this camera just used to "imitate" the handi-cam, or does Hud at some point get a new camera? Also why would a camera man have to dress up as Hud if he's filming? I'm sure I'm missing something blatantly obvious, help me realize why I'm dumb.

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Also why would a camera man have to dress up as Hud if he's filming? I'm sure I'm missing something blatantly obvious, help me realize why I'm dumb.


For when arms or legs get in view, or maybe reflections/shadows etc.

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orSKAsm wrote:
Also why would a camera man have to dress up as Hud if he's filming? I'm sure I'm missing something blatantly obvious, help me realize why I'm dumb.


For when arms or legs get in view, or maybe reflections/shadows etc.

It also makes it easier for the actors to relate to how the scene is supposed to play out. Most times actors are not meant to look at the camera as if there's a person there. In this case, that's a key part of the story. A similar idea can also be seen in cases where CGI will be inserted later, but for original shooting there's a human stand in using a crude costume or blue/green suit.
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Euchre wrote:
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For when arms or legs get in view, or maybe reflections/shadows etc.

It also makes it easier for the actors to relate to how the scene is supposed to play out. Most times actors are not meant to look at the camera as if there's a person there. In this case, that's a key part of the story. A similar idea can also be seen in cases where CGI will be inserted later, but for original shooting there's a human stand in using a crude costume or blue/green suit.


Yep, that's true, they probably do a take with Hud filming for all the scenes anyway, as he has to provide all the dialogue.

My hunch is that this report is fan fiction, and it sounds like a trailer which reveals more of the monster, which sounds unlikely.

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Yep, that's true, they probably do a take with Hud filming for all the scenes anyway, as he has to provide all the dialogue.


Not likely, it's called voiceover. I'm willing to bet a very tiny percentage (if any at all) of the dialog would be from the original shot. Even the scenes that HUD actually shot probably get a voiceover from the actors.

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Yep, that's true, they probably do a take with Hud filming for all the scenes anyway, as he has to provide all the dialogue.


Not likely, it's called voiceover. I'm willing to bet a very tiny percentage (if any at all) of the dialog would be from the original shot. Even the scenes that HUD actually shot probably get a voiceover from the actors.


You think he just showed up for the promo shots then? Maybe he did, but I think he'll have been there for most of the film, especially with semi improvised dialogue being worked out while they were shooting.

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 		Well he certainly had a more active roll in filming than JarJar had in Phantom Menace. Very Happy I'm just saying that unless HUD is going to appear during the shot the actor doesn't need to be there when they film the scene even if his character has dialog in the scene.

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