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dashcat
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The code monkeys who have gone AWOL were much better with straight ciphers. The 0702 note was more their kind of thing.


I'm sorry, I should have referenced the codes/puzzles I meant.

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mortality
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Ah. Fair enough. Smile

If you're trying to crack those, why not ask Ethan to get the information Frank logged for those trackbacks and comments? It may at least provide another way to get whatever solution we're supposed to find.

We do kind of have to assume those posts were significant. So it's worth trying.

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Sylvia, did you have to alter the shapes to combine them, or did they fit naturally?

No, I did not alter them, they fit naturally. You can easily duplicate what I did to see for yourself. The only thing I added was the circle (ring) in the center to make all 4 puzzles in one. I guess the circle could have been placed around the outer limits of the triangle or the square, but I doubt it.

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Sylvia wrote:
mort wrote:
Sylvia, did you have to alter the shapes to combine them, or did they fit naturally?

No, I did not alter them, they fit naturally. You can easily duplicate what I did to see for yourself. The only thing I added was the circle (ring) in the center to make all 4 puzzles in one. I guess the circle could have been placed around the outer limits of the triangle or the square, but I doubt it.


Cool. Don't see a need to duplicate it, just wanted to know more about the process you used. Smile

Where the circle goes is a good question. If it's tangent to the triangle's corners, then it relates to the Simson Lines you mentioned much earlier for MSG3. If it's tangent to the triangle's sides, then it has to do with Solomon's Triangle, and fits with the John Dee/alchemy stuff.

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Mort wrote:

Ethan,
Fair enough about the Hawthorne Group. As the Zen Master said: we'll see.



Hopefully we won't see him standing there with that bamboo stick I was thinking about last night. Wink


Mort wrote:
Well, John Dee coined the phrase "British Empire." He identified King Arthur as the first person to initiate British Christian Imperialism. However, John Dee, being affiliated with alchemy, also seems to have an interest in King Solomon. There's a whole sub-set of Renaissance and Medieval magic literature that deals with things like the Key of Solomon, Solomon's Triangle, and the like.



Good point, thanks for the clarification. And there's Solomon again. Seems like his name has been popping up a lot since you all cracked MSG1. Been years since I've read the details of his history / legends, but you are right he does show up all throughout the middle ages. I guess at the time "wisdom" was directly linked to magical knowledge.




Mort wrote:
As far as the Grail goes, and it's a reach, if we're talking about a chalice, then when it's viewed from above it looks like a circle. If it's bloodlines...well, that's another story. The circle could also be a crown...



Didn't even think of that.



Mort wrote:
It's nice to have two puzzles "solved," but jeez, could it be any harder to interpret the answers?

We've also been mulling what you mentioned about Spearmint and free websites. Maybe we're ultimately looking for 0701 to lead to one. If so, still confused about how to pull a URL from these puzzles.



Don't know about that stuff on 0701, I wrote back to Luke yesterday concerning that (I thought he was with your group, so you would have gotten this info - my bad), and I quote

"As for those gibberish comments, all the spam we gets tends to deal with generic drugs and the usual other stuff - and they always point back to a real site. The object of spam after all is to get you to follow the link. These are just too obscure. I talked to Frank because I wouldn't put it past him to spoof me; but he swears that these are definitely not coming from anyone at the Foundation. I hope you guys will take that for what it's worth.

Frank can get nothing from those gibberish posts. Even he was hoping you all might have a lead on those.

Sorry, gotta run. I'll try to check in later, but it may be tomorrow.

Regards,

Ethan


Ethan seems to be rejecting the King Arthur/Grail stuff. Solomon it is! Is there a Solomonic ring or circle?

And it looks like those comment ciphers are a) definitely in-game and b) have a (relatively) straight-forward solution without any further hints.

I told you they read the forums...

(ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Solomon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Solomon's_Ring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Solomon%27s_Ring_%28nonfiction%29

Apparently, yes, King Solomon has many rings...

There is a seal/ring, a non-fiction book about it, and a short story by that name. The ring is said to be able to either summon djinn/demons, or allow the user to speak to animals.)

There's also a grimoire/magical text called the Sigillum Solomonis.

As regards to alchemy: if you overlap the symbols for fire and water (regular and inverted trinagles), that's called the Solomonic Seal. It has to do with transmutation and opposites.)

Emailed those findings to him for his opinion.

ETA: hell, there's even a plant. link Did not send him this one, tho.

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Since the time of Solomon, anyone who wrote anything about wisdom or secret knowledge usually found a way to add/corrupt some Solomonic reference and continue to do so to this day.

So, we just need to wade through all of the ones who had a circle fetish.

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Sylvia
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mort wrote:
Ethan seems to be rejecting the King Arthur/Grail stuff. Solomon it is! Is there a Solomonic ring or circle?


I guess I assumed everyone knew or at least looked it up when dashcat brought it up but here is what everyone is looking for.


solomon triangle of art
solomon triangle of art

The best I understand is that the large circle is where the one doing the summoning stands. The circle inside the triangle is where the entity being summoned appears.
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That's a fair point, rogi.

I think Ethan has narrowed down our time period tho, so that should help a bit. John Dee is Renaissance-era. And the Scarpelli Library is also from the Renaissance. (At the earliest, we're probably looking at the Medieval period. And we're probably looking no later than the 1800s, if the secret societies stuff is important.)

Sylvia, I did look at The Triangle of Art when dash brought it up. That's what inspired the combined image of all the puzzles, right? I had not seen Solomon's Seal when I did that research, nor had anyone brought it up in connection with the One Ring. There are also multiple Solomon's Seals/Rings... The Ring is not a Ring would seem to indicate that we're looking at the diagram. Solomon's Seal itself refers to the Star of David, sometimes placed inside a circle or concentric circles. There are multiple versions...

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Sorry for going all, Patrick Gates.
Did Ethan have any input on the triangle of art?
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He hasn't replied to the latest email about Solomon's Seal. He probably won't until tomorrow.

I'll have to comb through my emails from him, but I don't recall him talking about the Triangle of Art, either.

ETA: I did mention it to him. No he did not reply to Solomon's Triangle other than to say "There's Solomon again." It's a few posts back.

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Sylvia
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I should clarify my previous post. It's the triangle at the top that is the Triangle of Art.

Here is another good link for info: http://www.meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Magick/Ceremonial_magick/goetia.htm

I also gave some good links in my previous post here: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=451837#451837
Sylvia wrote:
Some more interesting links about king Solomon:

The Temple and The Demons

This is interesting, although it's based on an RPG called In Nomine, One Ring to Rule Them All

This is a google search: with one ring Solomon commanded them sealing his own fate the executed one


Here is a better image of the Triangle of Art. Compare it to our Triangle from MSG 3 and add the circle (ring) from MSG 1:
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Sylvia, both images look relevant and I think your analysis for the one a few posts up is spot on because, at least in 0702, we seem to be dealing with a summoning. It would be a good idea to make the summoning/containment link between the Triangle of Art and Solomon's Seal explicit to Ethan.

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Re-reading Ethan's reply to Sylvia about the combined images, I can see retrospectively, how it was actually an encouragement.

But, at the time, I must've homed in on the "I'd have never thought to do that" and "I'll ask around" parts as I took his reply as a discounting of the theory.
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OK, so it looks like we've found the underpinning logic for this stuff. What can we conclude?

I did some more reading on the Triangle of Art. Just so that we have it condensed in the forums and not all over the web: The names on the outside of the second figure Sylvia provided relate to the Hebrew names for God. Tetragrammaton refers to the four consonants used for God's sacred, unspeakable name in the Torah. Anaphaxeton is supposed to mean God of all the heavenly hosts, or a high angel. Primeumaton means the one who is first and last. The figure also contains Archangel Michael's name.

I thought how Michael is divided might give us a clue as to how we should split up "the wise king commanded three." I'm thinking it doesn't. There are too many variations with different versions of the Triangle.

However, I do think we now know what that phrase means: the wise king is Solomon. And he commanded the three names of God when performing summons rituals.

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However, I do think we now know what that phrase means: the wise king is Solomon. And he commanded the three names of God when performing summons rituals.

I think that is spot on. We are getting closer.

ETA: So, someone is trying to summon "THE EXECUTED ONE." Who did we decide that was?

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OK. So where's this leading for the larger story arc? Ethan keeps on saying he thinks that someone has their own copy of the 0702 ritual, unaffiliated with the cipher left in the Library. Unless I just like conspiracy theories, I think we can take this one step further and assume that there are two sides involved.

0702 is a ritual to free something. 0701 refers to a ritual to summon and contain or banish something. Whoever left 0701 is trying to prevent whatever's happening with 0702. Hell, maybe they provided us with 0702 just to let us know it was happening.

Now we just have to figure out their identities and what they're trying to summon. And no, Sylvia, no clues as to what they're summoning other than it's something dark. Maybe it's Morpheus...maybe it is Cryto. Wink

You seem to have sparked this discussion, you want the task of explaining it to Ethan? (Cough. He already has two emails from me to answer. Cough.) Smile

ETA: I think this, at long last, also provides the connection to Autumn Country where there seem to be two opposing factions.

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