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[SPEC] Tanker Connection
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Lupinicus
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Kadarom wrote:
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It seems to be saying that at the present time it seems that this could be relation to a losing contact with a tanker on it's return to Norway from New York (or may be the other way round)

This is a quote from the Japanese translation from Mukatsuku. I think most of us have assumed that the tanker distress call took place after Chuai's destruction because of this and also the fact that this segment of the news report takes place after discussion of Chuai's destruction. Essentially, we're assuming the time of attack, it's not quite confirmed.

To JordLimb: The Hav Vind was not coming from Chuai, it was coming from Norway. As for the Tag tanker (again, I'm assuming 2), we don't actually know where it came from, we just know it's in New York Harbor at the time of the movie.
Eh, that doesn't really give me any sense of time.

The tanker being hit first would also explain the American report of a possible Coast Guard presense.
If they lose contact with a ship they'll send search teams out to where they think it was last.
That far out would have planes and possibly boats sent immediately with both definitely searching the next day in a larger area.
A larger area that might put a plane near Chuai.

I'm still not sure why the tanker being hit before Chuai would make sense. That would mean that the monster is heading east, not west.

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Lupinicus wrote:
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It seems to be saying that at the present time it seems that this could be relation to a losing contact with a tanker on it's return to Norway from New York (or may be the other way round)

This is a quote from the Japanese translation from Mukatsuku. I think most of us have assumed that the tanker distress call took place after Chuai's destruction because of this and also the fact that this segment of the news report takes place after discussion of Chuai's destruction. Essentially, we're assuming the time of attack, it's not quite confirmed.

To JordLimb: The Hav Vind was not coming from Chuai, it was coming from Norway. As for the Tag tanker (again, I'm assuming 2), we don't actually know where it came from, we just know it's in New York Harbor at the time of the movie.


Ok, I may be getting way off base so someone smack me back into line if I am, it's late, but we may have 2 different tankers, one that belongs to Tag and a Norwegian tanker that has no involvement in Tag at all but has become entangled in all this mess on a trip from Norway to NY because of the destruction of Chuai and MGP on the move now. Like I said someone smack me if that sounds ridiculous, its 2 a.m. here.
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 		I agree on the possible 2 tanker scenario. In all actuality, its probably the most plausible explanation to begin with.

Regardless, seeing it is 2am, im going to call it a night and see what kind of mayhem ill return to tomorrow morning. Rolling Eyes

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JordLimb wrote:
Ok, I may be getting way off base so someone smack me back into line if I am, it's late, but we may have 2 different tankers, one that belongs to Tag and a Norwegian tanker that has no involvement in Tag at all but has become entangled in all this mess on a trip from Norway to NY because of the destruction of Chuai and MGP on the move now.

Yes, I think this is the right direction to be headed if that distress call really did say it was from the Hav Vind. We've seen that Tagurato names everything based on either Japanese language or a somewhat 'cutesy' English - which seems to be popular in Japanese culture. It's possible the point was to establish that MGP does see tankers as something to attack as well, not just stationary structures like the station or SoL. Of course, the Tag tanker on fire in the film footage suggests that too.
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Lupinicus wrote:
Kadarom wrote:
Lupinicus wrote:
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It seems to be saying that at the present time it seems that this could be relation to a losing contact with a tanker on it's return to Norway from New York (or may be the other way round)

This is a quote from the Japanese translation from Mukatsuku. I think most of us have assumed that the tanker distress call took place after Chuai's destruction because of this and also the fact that this segment of the news report takes place after discussion of Chuai's destruction. Essentially, we're assuming the time of attack, it's not quite confirmed.

To JordLimb: The Hav Vind was not coming from Chuai, it was coming from Norway. As for the Tag tanker (again, I'm assuming 2), we don't actually know where it came from, we just know it's in New York Harbor at the time of the movie.
Eh, that doesn't really give me any sense of time.

The tanker being hit first would also explain the American report of a possible Coast Guard presense.
If they lose contact with a ship they'll send search teams out to where they think it was last.
That far out would have planes and possibly boats sent immediately with both definitely searching the next day in a larger area.
A larger area that might put a plane near Chuai.

I'm still not sure why the tanker being hit before Chuai would make sense. That would mean that the monster is heading east, not west.
Well, direction wise it wouldn't make sense if the monster left Chuai and headed straight for New York.
But, if Chuai sank on the 27th, that gives 22 days before it get's too New York.

That gives it an average speed of about 2.5 km/h or 1.5 mph.
Or 59 km and 37 miles a day.

Kind of slow for a 400ft monster don't ya think? Wink
At least until he hits downtown traffic. Razz

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 		In all honesty, 37 miles a day underwater seems like quite a bit.

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Lupinicus wrote:
In all honesty, 37 miles a day underwater seems like quite a bit.


Unless, you are a fast swimmer or have a stride that is five hundred feet in length.

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 		Maybe the monster is built for sprinting, not long distances. I'm not really sure how fast the monster can get to New York is useful speculation. We know that it's at Chuai around Dec 27 and we know it'll be there on Jan 18. Does it's swimming speed matter?

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Lupinicus wrote:
Maybe the monster is built for sprinting, not long distances. I'm not really sure how fast the monster can get to New York is useful speculation. We know that it's at Chuai around Dec 27 and we know it'll be there on Jan 18. Does it's swimming speed matter?


No, that's just what was being talked about. But it would be fun to know how fast he/she/it was, wouldn't it? Maybe if we got more than one we could race 'em, after we defeat them, of course.

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Lupinicus wrote:
In all honesty, 37 miles a day underwater seems like quite a bit.
A quick look around puts dolphin/whale cruising speeds at 5-10 knots with the larger animals being faster.
Blue whales being lazy at .5-3 knots, cruising 8-14 knots and sprinting 20+.

A 400ft pissed off monster should be capable of a lot more than 1.3.
Heck, it's still only 3 knots if he sleeps/goofs off for 12 hours each day.


Lupinicus wrote:
Maybe the monster is built for sprinting, not long distances. I'm not really sure how fast the monster can get to New York is useful speculation. We know that it's at Chuai around Dec 27 and we know it'll be there on Jan 18. Does it's swimming speed matter?

Not really.
But if the speed suggests it spent time travelling around or doing things in between?
What did it do?
Where did it go?

Ooh, are there any more missing tankers between the 27th and the 18th?

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 		Ican't even remember where I posted this suggestion last night, but I was wondering if there was a site that mapped out all the Atlantic shipping lanes and possibly who was going where (though perhaps not the latter, to keep terrorism at bay). Perhaps if we can get a hold of where ships go across the Atlantic, we can determine a path that MGP may take, being distracted by ships along the way to NYC, stopping to destroy/eat/play with whatever's out there. Remember, there are also fishing boats that could also go missing before the start of the film, too. That also could be an explanation as to why it would take the monster a while to get to the coast. Stopping to ask directions.... Wink
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I imagine it might slow MGP down to run underwater carrying the Tag tanker from Chuai to NYC...

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 		Yes, especially if he stopped for a bite to eat, hehehe. Twisted Evil
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dontlookmyage wrote:
Ican't even remember where I posted this suggestion last night, but I was wondering if there was a site that mapped out all the Atlantic shipping lanes and possibly who was going where (though perhaps not the latter, to keep terrorism at bay). Perhaps if we can get a hold of where ships go across the Atlantic, we can determine a path that MGP may take, being distracted by ships along the way to NYC, stopping to destroy/eat/play with whatever's out there. Remember, there are also fishing boats that could also go missing before the start of the film, too. That also could be an explanation as to why it would take the monster a while to get to the coast. Stopping to ask directions.... Wink




Good luck sorting that mess out. It's just about the only map I could find that had more than just one route on it.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol316/issue5833/images/large/316_1866_F2.jpeg

There's the link to the enlargement.

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 		I think it's safe to say that there would be essentially no lack of distractions for the monster in the Northern Atlantic. It's probably one of the biggest areas of activity in all of the oceans. It would not surprise me if we get a couple more distress calls before the movie comes out.

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