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[Spec] Space-alien monster confirmed ?!
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Colt
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Bacon Army wrote:
Maybe it's just misinterpretation by those peoples.

Either that, or it is 'alien' in the context of Mexican immigrant 'alien'.


that was weird, as i was reading the pages of this thread, right before i got to yours, and i mean like 1 post away, i started thinking the same as you... then i read it...

anyways, as said, Alien can mean a few things,

Foreign to Earth (Aliens, Extraterrestrials)
Foreign to a Continent (think Asian native fish in the Potomac)
Foreign to a Country(Illegal Immigrant)
Foreign to the Body (Flu or any other Germs, Viruses not native to our Bodies)

those are the few i know, but most, if not all of those that come into context are alien

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Nighthawk wrote:
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Number 2 doesn't explain this entire "ARG."


People are still assuming this is an ARG. In my opinion, it isn't. Yet.

As for an alien... I hope it's not. But, then again, Tag did step in to outer space already with their launch...

I don't trust the Russian translation. I've seen enough bastardizations in Japanese ( http://www.engrish.com/ ) to know what can happen.


hahaha ... even if my english sucks i gotta love this site...

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Colt wrote:
Bacon Army wrote:
Maybe it's just misinterpretation by those peoples.

Either that, or it is 'alien' in the context of Mexican immigrant 'alien'.


that was weird, as i was reading the pages of this thread, right before i got to yours, and i mean like 1 post away, i started thinking the same as you... then i read it...

anyways, as said, Alien can mean a few things,

Foreign to Earth (Aliens, Extraterrestrials)
Foreign to a Continent (think Asian native fish in the Potomac)
Foreign to a Country(Illegal Immigrant)
Foreign to the Body (Flu or any other Germs, Viruses not native to our Bodies)

those are the few i know, but most, if not all of those that come into context are alien


"Alien" is used that way in English, not in other languages. We don't have a common word for "extraterrestrial" and "foreign" in Swedish, and I'm pretty sure the Russians don't either. So the Russian word for alien would most likely not mean neither immigrant nor virus in addition to extraterrestrial.
And either way, the Russian guy a few posts down said it translates to "from a different planet". I'm pretty sure all the Russians involved in this knows the meaning of their language Smile


Most likely, and like the rest of you I'm talking as someone who really doesn't want this to be a space flick, most likely this is a case of a crappy translation by the Russian promoter, like them awful technical manuals the Chinese translate to English before they ship them off. No one told the Russian contractor what the movie is about, and some bored Russian 24-year old sat by his computer and translated the English promo text half heartedly with no one checking the work before it went to the printers. Mebi the movie "Alien" was called "Entity" in Russian, and thats the word the translater got?

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weller wrote:
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"Day After Tomorrow" can be one word e.g. in Greek it's one. It's not you fault that English is a poor language. Laughing


Strange how it's called the universal language


How is english the universal language? Something like only 5% of all the people in the world speak it. Surely the universal language would be something like spanish or chinese.


5%? ... no.

Read here: http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=883997
http://web.archive.org/web/19990429232804/www.sil.org/ethnologue/top100.html


Actually, your second link backs up what I said. Teeheehee!

Also, that article was written in 2001. The chinese economy has grown considerably since then, meaning a lot more people now speak chinese. Anyway, that doesn't matter, because I was actually refering to people who speak it as a first language.
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 		So with the new updates to Tagruato, is there anybody doubting that MGP is an alien?

Satellite catches object falling into Mid-Atlantic.

TIDOWAVE finds no evidence of Chuai Station, as if it didn't exist, or as if it was wiped off the face of the Earth.

Tagruato admits to an "incident" at Chuai Station.

Not only is MGP an alien, which as some here know has been a favorite theory of mine, it also gives creedence to MGP being an intelligent monster.
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underwaterdonkey wrote:
weller wrote:
underwaterdonkey wrote:
xboyonfirex wrote:
jortheo wrote:


"Day After Tomorrow" can be one word e.g. in Greek it's one. It's not you fault that English is a poor language. Laughing


Strange how it's called the universal language


How is english the universal language? Something like only 5% of all the people in the world speak it. Surely the universal language would be something like spanish or chinese.


5%? ... no.

Read here: http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=883997
http://web.archive.org/web/19990429232804/www.sil.org/ethnologue/top100.html


Actually, your second link backs up what I said. Teeheehee!

Also, that article was written in 2001. The chinese economy has grown considerably since then, meaning a lot more people now speak chinese. Anyway, that doesn't matter, because I was actually refering to people who speak it as a first language.


I realize that the second article has a relatively small number for English speakers, but considering it is number 3 in the world in terms of native speakers and 1 or 2 for non-native speakers still constitutes it as a universal language, especially considering its importance in business, science, etc. And that was the point of my post, besides that the term alien had probably been mistranslated. To say English isn't a universal language (or "the" in some senses) seems faulty because it is used in so many fields, while unevenly among the world's population. You do bring up an interesting point- what constitutes a universal language-percent of the world's population who speaks it or its importance in the world's economy. Anyhow, the Economist says in that article that it is predicted that half the world's population might speak English proficiently by 2050 (seems outlandish to me, but it's interesting).

ETA: you wrote "5% of all the people in the world" speak it and then said you were only referring to native speakers. that doesn't quite make sense to me, but I think I can see what you meant.

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weller wrote:
underwaterdonkey wrote:
weller wrote:
underwaterdonkey wrote:
xboyonfirex wrote:
jortheo wrote:


"Day After Tomorrow" can be one word e.g. in Greek it's one. It's not you fault that English is a poor language. Laughing


Strange how it's called the universal language


How is english the universal language? Something like only 5% of all the people in the world speak it. Surely the universal language would be something like spanish or chinese.


5%? ... no.

Read here: http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=883997
http://web.archive.org/web/19990429232804/www.sil.org/ethnologue/top100.html


Actually, your second link backs up what I said. Teeheehee!

Also, that article was written in 2001. The chinese economy has grown considerably since then, meaning a lot more people now speak chinese. Anyway, that doesn't matter, because I was actually refering to people who speak it as a first language.


I realize that the second article has a relatively small number for English speakers, but considering it is number 3 in the world in terms of native speakers and 1 or 2 for non-native speakers still constitutes it as a universal language, especially considering its importance in business, science, etc. And that was the point of my post, besides that the term alien had probably been mistranslated. To say English isn't a universal language (or "the" in some senses) seems faulty because it is used in so many fields, while unevenly among the world's population. You do bring up an interesting point- what constitutes a universal language-percent of the world's population who speaks it or its importance in the world's economy. Anyhow, the Economist says in that article that it is predicted that half the world's population might speak English proficiently by 2050 (seems outlandish to me, but it's interesting).

ETA: you wrote "5% of all the people in the world" speak it and then said you were only referring to native speakers. that doesn't quite make sense to me, but I think I can see what you meant.


5% was just a uninformed guesstimate by the way. But yes, I see your point. I think a lot of this was fuelled by my hatred of english speakers who go on holiday and expect everyone to know english because it's "universal" and so resort to speaking english loudly and slowly when people don't understand them (BTW, I know your not one of those people.)
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from this thread: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=456103#456103:

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"Other prominent producers with irons in the fire include J.J. Abrams, a co-creator of "Lost," who produced the monsters-from-space flick "Cloverfield" Jan. 18 and directed the new "Star Trek" movie"



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/stories.nsf/movies/story/C7CCB992A81D0D77862573C6007BF1D0?OpenDocument


maybe they know something we don't, lol

Edit - Tagged - MikeyJ



Hey guys, I wrote to the author of the article and asked him of his source for his description "monsters-from-space flick".

I got a reply:


Quote:
The source was the trailer and Internet gossip. I checked with the local PR rep for the studio, who said it would not be inaccurate to describe the movie that way, but he declined to give away the details.
Joe W*******



The PR likes speculation and some differing reports?

Or maybe a part of the monster is from space? ie.: "some thing" fell on earth from space, mutated, or got mutated by Tagruato ==>became the monster


http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=456103#456103

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 		Strange, as far as I can gather, инопланетным isnt a word.

In any case, I asked a friend about words for alien and the like in russian, and its very possible that if the word does indeed mean alien, then it would probaly mean foreign, rather than extraterrestrial.

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TIDOWAVE finds no evidence of Chuai Station, as if it didn't exist, or as if it was wiped off the face of the Earth.


Are you trying to say that the chuai station was abducted?

The reason there is no wreckage was because it was pulled down underwater, rather than exploding.

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W-Three wrote:
Strange, as far as I can gather, инопланетным isnt a word.

In any case, I asked a friend about words for alien and the like in russian, and its very possible that if the word does indeed mean alien, then it would probaly mean foreign, rather than extraterrestrial..


If you search for планетным , which is all but the first 3 letters, you get pictures of planets and space related things
Google Image result

google translates планетным as planetary, and инопланетным as alien, and you get lots of pictures of aliens with an image search.

The word seems to mean extraterrestrial, but whether the correct word has been used in the poster is another matter.

Edited to embed long link. - E

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 		What's more likely? That a Russian poster maker got inside information about the monster that American media sources could NOT get, or it's just a translational faux pas? Just sayin'....

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 		Could be a Space Monstor afterall
Yeah, I spelt it the Adshel way
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MySpace is throwing Rob, the character in the movie, a surprise party in New York City if you're around (how meta of Paramount). If you win, you better be guaranteed that a space monster will attack during the party.


Dunno if they got more off the record but that's a pretty big gaff there.

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 		If someone sees a weird thing in the air they call it a UFO, and is then almost completely known as an alien craft. Space alien, not foreign alien, i think the Russian explanation of the monster being a space alien is just a bad english interpretation of being something unknown. Plus didnt JJ say he got the idea from being in a godzilla toyshop in japan, he wanted to make an AMERICAN monster. Space doesnt = america

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 		Feel free to TROUT me, but I just don't have time to read everything (at work) -but has anyone given this any thought?:

The winners of the Slusho! commercial contest get ALIENware laptops... Shocked Hehe

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If someone sees a weird thing in the air they call it a UFO, and is then almost completely known as an alien craft. Space alien, not foreign alien, i think the Russian explanation of the monster being a space alien is just a bad english interpretation of being something unknown. Plus didnt JJ say he got the idea from being in a godzilla toyshop in japan, he wanted to make an AMERICAN monster. Space doesnt = america


You're reading that a bit too literally methinks. The movie is American, that is what he meant. Note that the Mid Atlantic Ridge is not American nor is the Chuai station.

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