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Jain
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 		For dates on the journal entries I have:
1.28, 2.18, 3.3, 3.17, 6.11, and 6.14

Using the first number as the line on the backwards image and the second number as the letter, I get:
IOUIAN

I don't have Word so I am unable to test passwords but it's worth a try if someone wants to run it through.

Edit: I had emailed Edwin earlier asking if the dates were relevant and he just replied: "The dates are quite relevant". So we must be on the right track... Very Happy

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BlueMouse222
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Clementine wrote:
BlueMouse222' wrote:
Clementine wrote:
Hahaha. I e-mailed him again and I have a feeling I might've gotten a little snarky. Whoops!

Anyway, he likes to tell us about 'the golden ratio', but I haven't been able to apply it to that jumble on his 'error' page. I hope someone else is seeing something I'm not.


I have realized. The nautilus. How could we have been so stupid for so long? I am, once again, among you. Spirals, spirals; they are the key. Out and out again in a most inefficient way. Take out all the symbols and condense next to a single entry. Then unwind and transcribe.

Me


I'm sort of getting what you're saying, but not really. Can you show me?


I think I get it! My, but this doppelganger has an odd way of speaking. I think I get it. Remove all non-number of nexts. Condense all nexts into a single charcter, say N. Plot this remainder out and then spiral from the center, reading from N to N as before.

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Clementine wrote:
The rectangle and circle are supposed to represent an envelope. We're supposed to e-mail him or whatever with our questions. (I wondered about that too, don't feel bad; haha!)


*shakes head*

The circle inside the square isn't an envelope -- it's a shoutback to Leonardo Da Vinci.
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 		Erin it right. I have confirmation from Edwin himself. Smile

Edwin:
Quote:
For an alternate path, begin with the symbol in my signature. I've had it
described as an envelope. That would be a mistaken assumption.


Me:
Quote:
That symbol wouldn't happen to have anything to do with Ol' Leonardo, would it? Razz
(Meaning The Vertruvian Man by Leonardo Da Vinci)

Edwin:
Quote:
Ah...you are observant. Share your connections with the others. Science
and discovery frequently work best when allowed to stew with multiple
minds.


Erin told me on vent, and I relayed it to him.

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 		I have a suggestiion which when i try to excute myself I become quickly lost. has anyone tried transcribing the numbers from the code in the nautlis shape such that each occurence of the word next indicates a new spiril with the first for number being the center and smallest.
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BlueMouse222
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Jain wrote:
For dates on the journal entries I have:
1.28, 2.18, 3.3, 3.17, 6.11, and 6.14

Using the first number as the line on the backwards image and the second number as the letter, I get:
IOUIAN

I don't have Word so I am unable to test passwords but it's worth a try if someone wants to run it through.

Edit: I had emailed Edwin earlier asking if the dates were relevant and he just replied: "The dates are quite relevant". So we must be on the right track... Very Happy


IOUIAN is unfortunately not it. I think.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:11 pm
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Clementine
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 		My letter to Edwin:

Quote:
I wish I could say I trust you Edwin, but I'm prone to skepticism. I don't accept answers without fully knowing they're correct (i.e. your even being the actual Four of Clubs, since you refuse to use the 'fourofclubs' email). Also, you seem a little .. hmm, sketchy? Performing experiments on your brother that cause him pain? Not so nice. Quite the 'mad scientist' of you, really.

So in quoting Red Dragon, you've intrigued me. I pride myself on being rather knowledgable in Hannibal Lector-lore (one of my favorite fictional characters). Are you perhaps assuming the role of Lector and creating/baiting yourself a Red Dragon (Dolarhyde) through your brother? If so, ambitious, but dangerous and not necessarily recommended. Personally, I think you're hinting to something else though, so I'm assuming my speculations are wrong.

Ockham's Razor's been ever-present in my mind -- I assure you. I hate getting flustered, and here I am, exceedingly flustered. I keep going off to do something else in hopes that when I come back to that error, I'll see something differently/new.

We'll see what tonight or tomorrow brings, I guess. In the meantime, you can keep laughing at my futile, over-thinking-everything frustration. (But it just proves that the chase is fun -- I won't give up so soon).



-- Clementine


And his replies: (half an hour apart)

Quote:
I enjoy your skepticism...the mark of a real scientist. Or at least
someone with the tenacity required to succeed.

I think you'll find my clues less sinister than they appear...but then
again...so much has to do with perspective.


-- followed with:

Quote:
A few thoughts to assist:

Simplicity...above all else. I know that you understand my reference to
Ockham's thoughts. They will serve you well...far beyond this
cat-and-mouse.

And some advice - if I find myself stuck on a component, I remind myself
to look at the larger picture and find another piece that needs fitting.
In the process, you might find new meaning. Consider for instance, the
unique nature of my house. Have you noticed it's form?


Have at it, guys. Very Happy
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mgelles
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 		do those include using the number pairs throughout the site that are not dates?
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 		ME:
Quote:
Was only a guess. My basis for that guess was from a quote, perhaps I had the source wrong for the quote? Or is the quote the wrong path to begin with?


EDWIN:
Quote:
The Quote you allude to exists. You've merely taken it from the wrong film.

While I greatly enjoy the Silence of the Lambs, it has no bearing on this
puzzle.


ME:
Quote:
But it is from a film, eh? Is it a keystone to solving this mystery?


EDWIN:
Quote:
It is from a film...though most of it is not verbatim. Consider it a
direct reference.

As for the importance...there are many ways to reach the answer. The
quote is merely a hint towards methodology.

For an alternate path, begin with the symbol in my signature. I've had it
described as an envelope. That would be a mistaken assumption.


ME:
Quote:
Ah. And that System error seems to be getting to me. I couldn't help but notice it seems to follow a theme to another film. As does the music (Which I enjoy, all of your song choices are perfect). How'd you get that error?

That symbol wouldn't happen to have anything to do with Ol' Leonardo, would it? Razz


EDWIN:
Quote:
Ah...you are observant. Share your connections with the others. Science
and discovery frequently work best when allowed to stew with multiple
minds.


ME:
Quote:
I guess there really is patterns in chaos then. Smile Also, this may be another random, but did you know that Anthony Hopkins based Hannibal's mannerisms off of HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey. I'm sure you can infer the direction I'm going with that. Wink

Math leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth, but I am trying my best to keep up with the others.

Something about that System Error, though. And the word Ghosts. They stick out to me. I can't place my finger on it. Hmm...


EDWIN:
Quote:
I do follow...a relationship I am admittedly humbled and somewhat amused by.

However, we in science are used to standing on the backs of others to
advance from time to time.


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Reckoner
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 		Shocked This is the creepiest one EVER!!! I have no idea what anything means, but I came up with a few numbers:

30 fingers
12 chambers on the shell
6 desk drawers

The number six? IDK. But anyway thanks everybody for sharing this week instead of keeping to yourselves in IRC or WHEREVER. Rolling Eyes Laughing

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teh_lisa
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Quote:

What a beautiful question. The soul is as essential to the body as the
heart, for where else would on find the passion to devote one's life to
science? I have found that the more I learn and reveal, the more
intensely I see the divine in what surrounds.


On Mon, January 14, 2008 7:07 pm, lisa anne wrote:
> An email was shared where you mentioned the 'unique shape of your house'.
> I noticed it looks much like me, with a head, 2 arms, and 2 legs. Even a
> rib 'cage'. I was thinking about the light and thought it could be the
> soul, but as a scientist I wonder where you stand on that concept.
>
> lisa anne



Quote:



I've read that article...somewhat confusing but fascinating. Da Vinci had
many interesting observations regarding the human form.

One of the most intriguing to me, and completely relevant to our discussion:

The Square fit the human body when in a cross-like stance. To reflect a
form of elevation, arms slightly raised and legs spread, one needed to
surround the body in a circle instead. If we assume, for a moment, that
the square implies the solid & material body, while the circle represents
the infinite in its endless cycling, we can establish a soul over body
metaphor hidden in the work. This has been one of my most cherished
discoveries.

On Mon, January 14, 2008 8:53 pm, lisa anne wrote:
> In thinking about symmetry and the human body I was of course drawn to Da
> Vinci's depiction of what seems to be the vitruvian man. There is a man
> who claims that this depictions also relates to the squaring of the circle.
> He is german and he claims: "In 1995 I made a really
> unconventional discovery: Leonardo da Vincis Vitruvian man is a rekursive
> geometrical algorithm for the approximation of the squaring of the
> circle!" It reminded me of your rectangle that we once thought was an
> envelope.
>
> I find that many people believe in a soul in the hopes that they will
> find some sort of after life. I think your reasoning is much more reliable
> and scientific.


Quote:



I can see that point of view. I see the soul as the actual being. That
being can chose to be of body (that is, tied to a simple bipedal form), or
of something greater...something that reaches beyond its boundaries to
grasp for the infinite.

By that assumption, your statement becomes clearly validated. The body
becomes the vessel by which we reach for the infinite.

On Mon, January 14, 2008 9:05 pm, lisa anne wrote:
> So is that to say the soul is of the importance and the body is simply
> it's vessel for living and creating?


Quote:

I put it out for consideration that infinity is only too much for the
human mind to comprehend. I feel that the universe's organizing force
might be beyond our ability to grasp. Therefore, I can be comfortable
with the assumption (which may of course be proven wrong at some
juncture...a possibility that I readily accept) that there may be space
for all.

Consider that we view things in 3 dimensions and that our position in time
(and to a degree, our physical state) are fixed and inflexible. However,
we must also realize that time does in fact move of its own accord. Yet
we have no ability to move within it as well (to my knowledge).

I perceive the human experience as limiting but my efforts to overcome
those limitations have been very rewarding.


On Mon, January 14, 2008 9:13 pm, lisa anne wrote:
> But by that logic the soul is infinite as well. If this is the case, then
> are there too a limited number of souls? If not the universe would
> simply become over populated with souls wandering about. To go with your
> fondness of symmetry I would think there are a limited number, otherwise
> the chaos would be well...too chaotic.


Quote:

On Mon, January 14, 2008 9:36 pm, lisa anne wrote:
> So I also noticed, and had my sight shown to be true, that the center of
> the square is not the center of the circle. Thereby meaning that the center
> of the soul on the body is not the same as the center of the material
> body? Also, if Da Vinci believed that the workings of the human body could
> be correlated to the workings of the universe, where is the soul of the
> universe?
>
>

While only my interpretation, I don't believe that Da Vinci was implying
that the centers were different. I believe that the implication was that
the soul was of an elevated position (and, understanding the importance of
visual hierarchy in Renaissance works) and therefore of greater
importance.

Of course, your intepretation could be gleaned from that as well, which
might imply that Da Vinci was intending the Soul to exist nearer to the
head...and argument for rational thought guiding the soul, perhaps?

As for the universe, if you've found correlations, I would be interested
in reading them. I haven't tried to connect Vitruvian Man to the
universe...only as a phenomenal work of the symmetry of man and its
unusual implications for soul and body.


Quote:



Time travel is against Einsteinian physics but I hold up the possibility.
We don't have command of the universe. Maybe as we grow, we could come to
circumvent our restrictions...I have doubts though.

Morcar and I were testing an invention. The machine generated an
excessive of static and gave him a severe shock. I expected damage but it
appears he was unscathed. Fortunate, really. The design flaw has since
been corrected.

On Mon, January 14, 2008 9:44 pm, lisa anne wrote:
> Then what of time travel as far as position in time and being able to
> move within it? Do you deem it possible?
>
> But that is off topic I fear. Or maybe not. How did you say Morcar hurt
> his hand?


Quote:
Again...you make a brilliant point. I have little to add but I greatly
respect your observations.

I will sign off soon (growing tired) but I hope we continue this discussion.


On Mon, January 14, 2008 10:00 pm, lisa anne wrote:
> I believe the application to nature, the universe, is along the lines of
> symmetry. The vitruvian man claims certain proportions for the ideal human
> figure while things of beauty in nature also follow those rules. A
> beautiful person is found to be symmetrical, the perfect placement of
> eyes having phi between them, while objects in nature that are beautiful
> follow this ratio as well. It is funny how our world works sometimes.
> Aphex Twin
> planned his face in his music. What about our universe? Things like the
> golden ratio are the Aphex Twin faceprint of nature are they not?


Make of it what you will. He is a wonderful conversationalist.

<3
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 		dates
the dates are 1.28, 2.18, 3.3, 3.17, 6.11, and 6.14.

they could be the keys to the line and letter number. sub "3 after 1" to make 1.28=1.3 and "14 after 3" to make 6.14=3.14. therefore, by line and character (including spaces) per the memo it says

t
r
e
e
s
.

anyone notice?

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 		Latest thoughts:

The index page links are shaped like the Vitruvian man - head, arms and legs.

The journal entry dates are distributed as one on the left arm (two clicks away), one on the left leg (one click away), two on the right leg (one and two clicks away) and two on the right arm (both two clicks away).

The nautlius shell / golden ratio suggests spiralling in, anti-clockwise starting at the bottom. That would suggest going right leg, right arm, left arm, left leg, right leg again, right arm again. Not sure which way round the right arm entries are, but probably 3.17, 1.28, 6.14, 2.18, 3.3, 6.11 (but 1.28 and 6.11 could be the other way round).

The computer text can't be the index as it only has 25 characters per line and one diary entry is 1.28.

The mirror text could be, though. As already pointed out, indexing the text forwards (spaces and punctuation removed) gives iinoua or inouai. Indexing it backwards (i.e. mirrored) would give ynufup or yufupn. Keeping the spaces in doesn't work.

I feel we are one brainwave away from getting the password.
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 		Edwin wrote me that:

Quote:
Red Dragon hints towards my methodology.

The computer error hides a simple piece to the puzzle. Don't overstate
it's value. It is part of a much greater whole.


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fla.via
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 		Just a note
In Chemistry Lab page Edwyn made clear do us that he is the Queen´s inventors. The Queens asked him to made

Quote:
"4 more Drink Me´s, 12 more Eat Me´s"


In Alice in Wonderland Drink Me potion made Alice get really small. Eat Me cake made her grown really bigger...

Wonder what does the Queen wants with so many Drink Me and Eat Me....

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