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Typoxic
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 		Petra is a Greek name. Presumably she is also Greek, or at least of Greek extraction. I don't know if that means we're being pointed toward Greece or if it's just a random detail.

Again, maybe it's because I haven't looked too hard at AC, but I'm not seeing the djinn connection. Where did that line of reasoning come from?

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 		this is how I replied to Petra. I hope it's ok, character interaction is not my area of expertise.
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Petra,

Yes paranormal. I was also a skeptic once until something happened that made me a believer. No, I'm not friends with Philly. Never heard of him until now. That's why I was asking you. I thought you could help us find him or help us to get in touch with him. Because he might be able to tell us more about what happened that night.

How did we get the matchbook? Like I told you, we were on a case and found it.

I'm sorry that you really don't give a damn, but I wonder if Philly would feel that way about you. I hope not. I wouldn't want to be missing and no one gave a damn to even question where I might be or what might have happened to me or send help for me.

It was very dark the night we were doing the investigation but we saw a man (who we now assume was Philly) walking up to the corner and light something with the matchbook. Then he doubled over as if he was in pain. Then an SUV pulled up and it was so dark we couldn't see what happened but Philly was gone after that. So either the people in the SUV were there to pick him up or they abducted him.

You say this was not the first time he's disappeared. Would you please, if nothing else flatter us, help us by telling us everything you know about Philly and what he does and about his previous acts of drama. If you can't then could you put us in touch with someone who knows more about Philly and might be willing to help us. We really need to find Philly. He could be an important link in solving this mystery that we have found ourselves engulfed in.

I'm really sorry to be a pest but you are the only link we have right now.

Sincerely,
Sylvia.


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Typoxic wrote:
Petra is a Greek name. Presumably she is also Greek, or at least of Greek extraction. I don't know if that means we're being pointed toward Greece or if it's just a random detail.

Again, maybe it's because I haven't looked too hard at AC, but I'm not seeing the djinn connection. Where did that line of reasoning come from?


Here is my train of reasoning for why Djinn are significant, apart from anything having to do with the AC storyline.

The solution to MSG1: One ring that was not a ring. And the MSG2 puzzle solution: the wise king; legend says that Solomon is the wisest man and wisest king to have ever lived. We also received a hint from Ethan to look at John Dee. John Dee was a medieval occultist who had a fondness for King Solomon.

King Solomon had a seal. A seal can be a ring that is not a ring. MSG3's puzzle solution seems to refer to King Solmon's Triangle, also called the Triangle of Art.

There are three main versions of King Solomon's story. A Jewish version from the Torah, a Christian version from the New Testament (Book of Kings, I think), and a Muslim version found in the Koran (he's called Suleiman in it).

In the Judeo-Christian versions, King Solomon used the Triangle and the Seal in rituals to summon demons. The demons became bound by the seal and he used them to build the Temple in Jerusalem.

The Koran says that he used the seal to bind Djinn to a lamp, or maybe a ring.

So that's how we get demons and Djinn. We have at least one Arabic clue on Reality Now. But we have several clues pointing towards the Western version of the story.

Ethan seems to have confirmed that this is at least something we should investigate, regardless of whether it's 100% correct.

I wrote:
Hey Jade,
Well at least we're mutually clueless about my motivation. Smile

S/He [BO] hasn't pumped us for anything and has actually said that there's nothing wanted from us. Which is almost as weird as someone giving us the third degree, ya know?

The weird thing about the experience isn't how the guy in the video takes the dive or how the matchbook ended up burned. It's what happened to the camera feed. That brutal noise (sorry, should've warned you to drop the volume) and the total whiteout. I don't have much experience with video camera technology malfunctions like that. The only thing similar I've encountered was something in that movie Inside Man where the bank robbers direct infrared lights at the cameras to disable them. I don't even know if that's possible or just action movie B.S. The effect in the movie was that the cameras were permanently disabled, not like what happened in the video. Or do you think it was just a really bright pulse of light? But still, that noise...what could've caused that?

Maybe you can check with some of the folks at Djinn Productions who might be knowledgeable.

Yeah, we've sent two feeler emails to Petra. She gave us a possible name for "Don't Taze me, Bro." She called him Philly, if that's our man. Think she said that was his matchbook that we got her email from. Said he's kind of into the occult and he's the kind of guy who disappears frequently without leaving an explanation. She seemed...blase. Her less aloof, but also less informative email to our other feeler was more about establishing rapport. Apparently good cop, bad cop works. But she doesn't know that both emails were related to the same thing.

More as we learn it.
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mortality wrote:

There are three main versions of King Solomon's story. A Jewish version from the Torah, a Christian version from the New Testament (Book of Kings, I think), and a Muslim version found in the Koran (he's called Suleiman in it).

In the Judeo-Christian versions, King Solomon used the Triangle and the Seal in rituals to summon demons. The demons became bound by the seal and he used them to build the Temple in Jerusalem.


Just a little bit of a nit-pick:

Solomon in the Old Testament is both Jewish and Christian -- the Torah contains older stories than Solomon. Solomon's summoning of demons is told in a pseudipigraphical book, The Testament of Solomon, and is considered WAY outside of canon from Jewish and Christian perspectives. Solomon's canonical story is in 1 Kings (starts in the second chapter), and (last time I read it, anyway) doesn't involve demons building the temple.
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 		Ok, we've had some small updates. Spearmint replied to some of our comments. http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?p=19
And http://realitynow.weebly.com/ changed the words on the home page.

Luke to Spearmint wrote:
Spearmint -

Millions of people aren't actively investigating what they see on the news every night. Maybe my phrasing was imprecise, but what I meant was you have a group of potential allies here, and that sharing information with them seems like a sound move. Obviously I'm a bit biased, but it does seem like you're needlessly limiting your resources.

Spearmint to Luke wrote:
Luke,

That is a valid point. There is no reason to scorn true allies. But I'm sure you realize that there are many who profess worthy goals, then walk into the shadows to pursue them.

Sylvia to Spearmint wrote:
Spearmint

You say that it's too late. If you can't tell us what IT is, can you tell us, did we somehow cause IT to happen by decoding that piece of paper? I would really like to know what IT is, also. I feel empty, lost and confused being left in the dark like this. I keep searching for an answer, but it never comes. Please enlighten us, don't leave us hanging in this limbotic dimension of nothingness.

Spearmint to Sylvia wrote:
Sylvia,

IT is the acting out of delusion. IT is embracing illogic. IT is forswearing the intellect for the mystical. All for nothing.

I do not think you caused IT, if IT did indeed occur. But IT is obviously related in some way to this document. Perhaps, though, that relationship is a distant one. More distant than it first seemed.


RealityNow.weebly.com wrote:
Trust Your Senses.
Trust, but verify.


So, what are we overlooking.

this is the 3 sets of phrases that have been on RealityNow so far: (my notes are in ())
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The Truth Is Not Out There. (the truth is in here?)
Your rational, objective mind is the only truth. (just what is rational?)

Question The Inexplicable. (question the unknown?)
There is ALWAYS a rational explanation. (again, what is rational?)

Trust Your Senses. (something we've said before? we need to trust that because it's right?)
Trust, but verify. (make it happen?)


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 		wow more updates, email from Petra
Sylvia to Petra wrote:
Petra,

Yes paranormal. I was also a skeptic once until something happened that made me a believer. No, I'm not friends with Philly. Never heard of him until now. That's why I was asking you. I thought you could help us find him or help us to get in touch with him. Because he might be able to tell us more about what happened that night.

How did we get the matchbook? Like I told you, we were on a case and found it.
I'm sorry that you really don't give a damn, but I wonder if Philly would feel that way about you. I hope not. I wouldn't want to be missing and no one gave a damn to even question where I might be or what might have happened to me or send help for me.

It was very dark the night we were doing the investigation but we saw a man (who we now assume was Philly) walking up to the corner and light something with the matchbook. Then he doubled over as if he was in pain. Then an SUV pulled up and it was so dark we couldn't see what happened but Philly was gone after that. So either the people in the SUV were there to pick him up or they abducted him.

You say this was not the first time he's disappeared. Would you please, if nothing else flatter us, help us by telling us everything you know about Philly and what he does and about his previous acts of drama. If you can't then could you put us in touch with someone who knows more about Philly and might be willing to help us. We really need to find Philly. He could be an important link in solving this mystery that we have found ourselves engulfed in.

I'm really sorry to be a pest but you are the only link we have right now.

Sincerely,
Sylvia.

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Sylvia,

Guess I came across as a super B, didn't mean to take it out on you. Sorry.

It's just that Philly can be such a little piece of crap sometimes. And he was a super big one the last time I saw him. And I'm still really, really pissed off about the fact that he dumped me and even more about the way that he did it. And since that's pretty much right in the middle of his fantasyland trip I guess that's why I just don't want to hear any more about all this magic crap.

He never disappeared on me before but I haven't actually known him for that long. I was talking to his friend Slider one night at a party while Philly was off doing something and he mentioned that he had a habit of disappearing every once in a while. He didn't really go into it and I just figured he was going back and crashing with his folks for a while and not telling anyone so he would come off as all mysterious. That's his thing, but maybe you know that already.

The reason I asked about the matchbook is because it surprised me that he wouldn't have it with him. He always had it. Ever since I first met him and he wrote my name e-mail down in it. He said it was good luck. I joked with him about it all the time cause he was always holding it. He never used it, he only used an old zippo to light this smokes, just held on to it all the time. I thought it was sorta cute, you know cause it had my name in it. Then he pulls the stunt with the smoke lady and that crashed everything.

Everything I know about Philly isn't much. Met him at a bar one night. He was all serious and quiet. We started going around together. Nice enough guy at first, right, but after a while he starts getting moody sometimes. Doesn't drink or use, but smokes like a chimney. Always meeting people. Always being cool. He didn't have a job as far as I could tell so I figured he was either a trust fund kid or he was selling stuff I didn't ask about. And he was into magic. He was always reading books or looking at strange stuff on his computer. I'm not into it, so he didn't get into it much with me.

Then one night a couple weeks ago he says I gotta see something on his laptop. He said our lady of smoke had just come online. And I said good maybe she'll send you a carton of Luckys. I could tell he didn't think that was funny. Anyway I look over his shoulder and he's got some chat program open with some chick I guess cause the first thing I think of is she's some kinda dom or something cause her screen name ends in trix. You know like dominatrix, but it was something different. There's a question mark on the screen and he types in midnight blue. She types back anything and he kinda whistles real low. He looks at me and asks if there's anything I want to know. I thought for a minute and said I wanted to know where my cat was since she hadn't come home the night before. So he said type it in. So I did and she types back Bldg B 214. Philly types in thanks real quick and then she closes the chat. And he says come on lets go get your cat. There is a building B in my apartment complex so we drive over there and he walks right up to 214 and knocks and he asks the lady who answered the door if she found a cat and she looked kinda surprised and says yes hold on a minute and she went and got my cat. I told the lady her name which was on her collar and we took her back home. I was pissed off with him the rest of the night cause I knew he had planned the whole thing to try to freak me out, and I was pissed at myself cause I kinda was.

Then a few nights later we're getting ready to go out and he's been acting edgy all day watching his laptop nonstop and then he says dammit there she is. And I said who your friend with the magic 8 ball, tell her to go to hell. But he just ignored me so I walked over. I saw that he had typed in salmon and she had replied with anything again. He thought for a pretty long time and finally typed in what do I have to give up to get what I want. there wasn't much of a pause before the letters started popping up. And yeah they said Petra. He types thanks and she's gone and he looked over and said sorry and closed his laptop and walked out. I must have been in shock cause I didn't even go nuts or anything. I just watched him go. I didn't go nuts till later. I called him so I could scream at him but he never answered.

That was a little over a week ago and I never did hear from him. Still haven't. Then you wrote and I just figured you were part of it. No I don't want him to be hurt or anything, but I really don't have any desire to ever see him again. That was a pretty stupid and spineless way to end things, and I just don't have time for someone that mean. I think his parents live up north somewhere, but I don't know where. His last name's Markovich. I don't even know where he lives. He always came over to my place. He hung with some weird people so I'm sure they were involved in whatever happened. He probably just did something stupid and they picked him up and now he's crashing with them.

Don't know what else to tell you, but if you're into something that involves Philly I'd just let it go. He's a screwup and he'll probably just get you into some kind of trouble.

P


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Awesome work! Methinks someone doth protest too much about not being good at character interaction...Smile

I've been looking at maps and locations and I'm good and confused. I thought we were expecting r3 to take place at the eastern vertex of the triangle, but the coordinates from realitynow are actually outside of it, so was that supposed to be the disruption of the ritual, not the ritual itself?

If Jade is still available, maybe we can get him to check out these locations:
- r2 (61st & Pine)
- the eastern vertex (mine is at 37th & 28th, but Sylvia's looks like 37th & 25th... once again I am foiled by simple geometry Rolling Eyes )
- the center of the circle inscribed in the triangle (37th & 7th, near as I can figure)
- the coordinates from reality now (7th/8th Ave. & Dartmoor/5th St.)

I made a Google map with these points on it, but I can't make a screencap from home. I'll try to post it later.

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 		Great work, Sylvia. Let's hope Petra gives us the detail or solid hint we need to find Philly's online identity, and then Our Lady of Smoke's, with her next reply.

Petunia, Reality Now's data is incorrect. They indicated they were looking at a 10km radius around the point they listed.

In comments at the wordpress site, BO left us the location for where the video was filmed: "Just south of 47th Ave. and 14th St. N." So maybe remeasure the circle with that point?
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 		*ahem* Please note the location of the third ritual (the green "1") when compared to the overlaying of the inverted symbol on a St. Petersburg map. *ahem* Note how close I was. *ahem* Note that casablanca was even closer. *ahem*
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 		Yellowcard, I (re-)found casablanca's map while I was trying to sort out my thoughts below, and decided that s/he should be awarded the InaNet. Now I remember that you were on the same track at the same time, so I guess you'll just hafta share. Worshippy Rock On Brownie

mortality wrote:
Petunia, Reality Now's data is incorrect. They indicated they were looking at a 10km radius around the point they listed.

In comments at the wordpress site, BO left us the location for where the video was filmed: "Just south of 47th Ave. and 14th St. N." So maybe remeasure the circle with that point?


For the remedial class: How do we know RN's data is wrong?
SPEC (i.e. thinking out loud to try to answer my own question): Maybe RN's coordinates (just north of Round Lake Park) is the spot where they were set up to try to stop the ritual remotely, assuming they didn't know exactly where it would happen but figured they had narrowed it down to within a 10km radius of this spot. Satellite images show what could be a warehouse and a few smaller buildings... I think it's definitely worth asking Jade to check them out.

For the r3 location (south of 47th Ave. & 14th St.), I get a distance of 1.72 miles to the r2 location at 61st & Pine. I went back 11 or so pages and found this:
yellowcard wrote:
If Cherry St was first, and Pine St was second, then the logical conclusion is that the third location at the next full moon should be 1.85 miles @ 240° from the Pine St location, no?

but I can't find nor remember where 1.85 came from. (Not sure if it matters at this point though.) I'm also playing with where to put the third point of the triangle, but I can't get the distances to come out right - if I put r3 on the triangle, then the two left sides come out a bit less than 3 miles long. Confused (I'm still messing with the triangle in case the whole Solomon's Triangle thing comes into play later on.)

Anyway, here's my crappy map FWIW: Laughing
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100669745346353913067.000443bdce0610a4f2240&z=14&om=1

I'm also attaching the satellite zoom of RealityNow's location.
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Great work, Sylvia. Let's hope Petra gives us the detail or solid hint we need to find Philly's online identity, and then Our Lady of Smoke's, with her next reply.


She did give us some clues though. The user name ends in trix, which is a latin suffix for woman. Philly called her our lady of smoke. I'm wondering if that isn't an english translation of her user name. Maybe its a latin word for smoke that ends in TRIX, or something like that.
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 		It looks like the latin root for smoke is fum-.

http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/lookdown.pl?smoke

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 		Ding! Idea

Why did BrightonEarly assume we knew the location of the event? Why did they work from a circle with a 10 mi. radius?

Because they have a different set of data to work from! We knew it was around 47th Ave @ 14th St because we drew the diagram from the first two locations.

They knew it was there by a different means. How did we find BE in the first place (or did BE find us)? Is this another independent group trying to solve the puzzle?

Perhaps we should "share data", as BE says they were doing. If we exchanged information, perhaps it would be in everyone's best interest to get to the bottom of this. Yes? No?
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 		So...a fumatrix, maybe? But the question is: which social network, chat, or IM service?

If we get an email address, blog, website, or social network profile for Philly, then we can find out if he has any other such sites and if he has any friends listed. That spokeo site should find anything publicly available on the most popular sites once we have one piece of identifying detail.

I'm confused by one thing in Petra's email: Philly's attachment to the matchbook. It burned. Philly under ordinary circumstances would not do that himself. So either something related to the ritual caused it to burn. Or because the matchbook was a strong symbol of his relationship with Petra, and OLoS told him to give her up, he burned it as part of the ritual.

Reality Now's site doesn't match BE's, who actually provided us with video. Ethan also confirmed that Reality Now's coordinates for 1/8/08 did not match his prediction.

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Mort,

That's a very cogent letter [basically a bunch of chitchat about reality vs. fantasy vs. people who believe fantasy is reality], and I think I get what you are saying. I figure you sent it to this e-mail for a reason [I sent the email to his gmail account, not his WF account; an accident of chance that he chose to interpret as having some greater significance for how secure I think his email is], so I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

And thanks for the Djinn precis [fulfilled his request for the djinn/demon stuff by giving him the stuff wkelly found]. One thing that I'd forgotten (or did not know, if I'm being really honest with myself ); they are not immortal, just very long-lived. Interesting.

I guess I'll have to go rent the first 12 installments of the Wishmaster franchise (just kidding, but I think I will start looking into some source material)

Oh, I almost forgot. I looked at those hidden RN pages you ref'd. I think I got some of it; i.e. the one page seems to be the future and the other is for the past. Also, the lat/long for St. Pete was not to the same degree of accuracy, but there was a note about ~10km. Seems like they weren't sure where the event was going to take place. Which means that if they were following the speculation on the OC site about where things might happen they didn't give that spec much weight. If they were involved you'd think they would have known exactly where. Just a thought.

Thanks,
Ethan


So...we have independent corroboration from two sources that Reality Now did not have accurate coordinates. Reality Now was working within a 10km radius from the site they listed at weebly.

Unless Ethan is BE, he does not know the exact location where the ritual really happened. I don't think Ethan ever provided us with the particular intersection he suspected, but he did say he was expecting it to be near Casa's northern point.

BE found us. Sent emails to some of us based on contact info available through the WF website. Which probably says something about BE's identity.

BE is not interested in collaboration. We did offer. We can try again.

BE seems unaffiliated with Reality Now. Looks like they have altogether different motivations for investigating the unusual.

Spearmint from Reality Now basically told us there are three source documents for the ritual. The 0702 cipher, whatever the ritual performers (Philly and OLoS?) were using, and whatever Reality Now worked off of.
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 		also, trying to help us understand the pieces
I'm not sure why Brighton Early assumed we knew the location, that's just one more reason I think BE is Ethan. Brighton Early was only there to observe and get the video, from the best I can figure out and not a part of a group unless you count us as the group BE is with.

It was Spearmint and his/her group that worked within a 10 km/ 6.2 mile radius of 7th/8th Ave. & Dartmoor/5th St. They were there to try and disrupt the event. However, according to http://realitynow.weebly.com/privacy-policy.html no action was taken. I assume they didn't find them in time.

Brighton Early contacted those of us you had registered at the www.whitechapelfoundation.org website in order to post in the comments without having to wait for them to be approved. So, BE contacted us first that night. This is another reason, I think BE is Ethan.

As for sharing data with Brighton Early, this is what I sent last night after I got the email from Petra.
Sylvia to BrightonEarly wrote:
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Sylvia to Brighton Early

Brighton Early,

I wanted to share some data with you about our mystery man. I've been in touch with Petra, you know the name/email on the matchbook and she as been a valuable source of information.

Turns out our mystery man has a name or at least he goes by the name Philly Markovich. He's into magic and he has a friend that goes by the name Slider. And according to Petra he hangs with some people she considers weird and she is sure they were involved with whatever he was doing. His parents live up North, not much to go on there. But it seems that Philly's superior is a female that he calls "our lady of smoke." She has a screen name that ends in "trix," very fitting considering the circumstances.

From what I gather, Philly was only able to contact her when she was ready to be contacted. She would then sign online and Philly would then type a password/pass code (the two that I know of are "midnight blue" and "salmon") to which ?trix would reply "anything." At this point Philly, and even Petra at one time, would type a question to her and her answer would be correct. For example, Petra's cat had went missing and she asked ?trix where it was and ?trix told her and sure enough that's exactly were the cat was. The next time Philly was in contact with her is when he used the pass code of "salmon" and his question was, "What do I have to give up to get what I want." ?trix's answer was "Petra" and Philly got up said he was sorry to Petra and left. And that's the last she's seen of him or heard from him. That was a little over a week ago.

I will be in contact with Petra at least one or two more times to thank her for her help and see if she can remember anything else that might help. I understand that you are not looking to collaborate but just sharing data. So, I will understand if I don't hear back from you. But it would be greatly appreciated if any of this means anything to you or rings any bells if you could at least share that with us via your wordpress site.

Thank You,
Sylvia


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