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[Spec]Screw Halo, How about some Shadowrun?
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ThoQ
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[Spec]Screw Halo, How about some Shadowrun?

Alright, i'm a smidge rusty on my Shadowrun Mythos, but i'll give it my best shot.


Morbus from IRC pointed out that there was a post on Cloudmakers about how Weisman and Sean Stewart were collaborating on a new project.

Now, Weisman has always said how he'd like to do a remake of the SNES Shadowrun.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers/message/48005

Now, if we take into account that there's an AI, or Virus, or something inside of the ilovebees site, could this basically be the beginning of "Echo Mirage" ?

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The Crash Of '29

On February 8, 2029, computer systems across the world got hit with apparently random attacks by a virus nastier than anything ever seen before. System after system crashed, their data wiped clean and even their hardware burned out. As the killer program spread, governments toppled and the world economy neared collapse. The virus shattered the Grid, the data network that held the world together. We were back on the road to apocalypse, this time via the virtual world—unless someone could stop the bug.

Echo Mirage swung into action almost immediately by presidential order, but the psychological demands of combat in cyberspace overwhelmed the mostly straight-arrow, linear-thinking agents. So the folks in charge recruited the most brilliant data-processing mavericks from industry and several universities, ramming them through a brutal training program. Thirty-two men and women graduated with their sanity intact.

In August, armed with improved cybertech, the new Echo Mirage team mounted a coordinated attack on the killer program. Eighteen minutes after engaging the virus, four members of Echo Mirage were dead. The data logs showed that the virus program induced lethal biofeedback in humans accessing the Matrix, and also that no existing computer security could even slow down someone using a cyberterminal. Horrified at the ease with which Echo Mirage had penetrated their most secure data systems, the corporations began secret research to develop new security software—including, of course, programs that could duplicate the lethal effects of the virus. To these hardworking wage slaves we owe the wonderful world of the modern-day Matrix … including such charms as tar-baby programs that glom onto your programs and reduce them to so much useless sludge, and killer intrusion countermeasures ("black ice") meant to brainfry the unwary. (Yep, it's a wonderful virtual world.)

But back to Echo Mirage. Equipped with new combat programs and beefed-up cyberterminals that used desk-sized hardware and needed no sensory deprivation tank, the remaining Echo Mirage team began purging the Grid of infection. Late in 2031, Echo Mirage wiped out the last known concentration of the virus code. Shortly afterward, four of the surviving seven members decamped into the private sector, taking with them the secrets of the new technology. To this day no one is sure just where they turned up (though some of us have our suspicions).


My take?

This isn't AI, perse, not in the context that you guys are putting it into. What i'm suggesting, is that someone, for some reasons, has created black ice (Black IC [intrusion countermesures]) were placed into dana's aunt's website, which is going to be the foundation of the Echo Mirage code. (i use "Echo mirage" as a label, the actual virus never was identified in any of the shadowrun novella, texts, or handbooks))

The SPDR we see now, is merely the code awaking, beginning to propigate itself, and the blubbery on the ILB website is black IC combing through, looking for intruders.

Think about this;

While Halo 2 is already out, people from bungie have already said that there is NO way that Halo and Marathon storylines were to be intertwined.

Halo 2 Already has a SET IN STONE (and flesh) release date of november 9th.

The AI Isn't going to be cortana going mad. I don't have a lot of factual evedence of this claim, but i'm just trying to debunk "this is about Halo 2" in some fashion.

Thoughts?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:00 pm
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frolet
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It is DEFINITELY related to HALO 2.

"ilovebees.com" appeared in the official trailer.

"O.N.I.", "glassing" and "Seraph" are all terms from Halo.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:06 pm
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Brane
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I'm not convinced its Halo 2 oriented either. What we have to look at is the concept of timeline. The Halo universe is far into the future from where we are now, and that doesn't seem to make sense in the context of this ARG.

In AI it was alright, because the sites, characters, and story were all set in a future time - Dana and her Aunt's site are NOT. Unless we start dealing with aspects of time travel (which, quite honestly, is the easy and boring way out) then I think we need to open our minds to other possilibites.

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frolet
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copied from MrBeanTroll's post on the keyes post

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Per time travel: There is/was (I hate time travel) a crystal on Reach which was warping time so that Master Chief would be in the right place at the right time. This is the artifact that the Covies were after and why they didn't completely glass Reach. The crystal affects gravity and also affects slipspace travel causing slipspace to expand and be unpredictable.

It also gives off a huge amount of radiation when it is active and therefore is destroyed by the only surviving ODST from Halo. There are shards of it left on the ship but not enough to account for the mass of the original crystal. We later find that parts of it slipped into slipspace as a shard is found by the Covies near Tau Ceti.

There is a damn good possibility of more than one crystal as I believe the time is still missed up after it is destroyed to get them to the Unyielding Hierophant (a massive covie spacestation) I'll have to check the books when I get home.

The artifacts are Forerunner in theory and I believe that all of the events were laid out by the Forerunner with the Crystals left behind to ensure everyone's fate remains the same, whatever fate that may be. That's why I think in the future Master Chief with advanced armour will be teleported back 100,000 years or so to Halo 04 and activate it thus explaining GS's comment of "You have done this before"

This also explains the Cortana letters which take place in our time as well as this ARG regardless of who it is.


Seriously, this relates to HALO.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:46 pm
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Max Damage
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This latest update is absolutely DROWNED in CONCLUSIVE links to the Halo universe. Almost every other word is a direct reference to colony-worlds, OSI AI's and the Covenant 'glassing' planets.

Lets stick to the facts here, people, and stop making completely insane theories out of random tangent universes?

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But don't get so hung up on Halo that if it IS something different you can't see past the obvious...

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TheDude wrote:
But don't get so hung up on Halo that if it IS something different you can't see past the obvious...


It IS the obvious!

Half of Halo's story revolves around the Office of Naval Intelligence (OSI), their ships and their AI's!

This update is DROWNING in references to OSI, their ships and their AI's! They've covered every cornerstone of the Halo universe, and NOW people are ignoring the link!? WHY??

Note: I was DISMISSING Halo links due to insufficient data in the previous phase. Now we have MORE than sufficient data and everyone is going in the opposite direction? AARGH!

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And nobody has ever used "ONI" before?

Nobody has ever refered to nuking a planet as glassing?
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Max Damage
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No. wrote:
And nobody has ever used "ONI" before?

Nobody has ever refered to nuking a planet as glassing?


ilovebees in Halo 2 trailer
ONI and their AI's
Colony-worlds being 'glassed' by an agressive force
References to Covenant-class fighters, even!

We're being beaten around the head with a sack of conclusive evidence, and yet people are blithely ignoring it in search of crackpot theories completely unrelated to what we're being given!

This is not Shadowrun! The Shadowrun liscence has been dead for ages outside of pen-and-paper RPGing! Why on earth would links to Shadowrun be in a Halo 2 trailer!?

Was there even space-travel in Shadowrun? I seem to recall it was all earth-based!

THINK, PEOPLE!

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Phaze
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Before you dismiss this as not being Halo 2 related simply because it takes place in the present and Halo is future, remember the Cortana Letters that were sent to the Marathon Story page prior to Halo's announcement.

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Max Damage wrote:
TheDude wrote:
But don't get so hung up on Halo that if it IS something different you can't see past the obvious...


It IS the obvious!

Half of Halo's story revolves around the Office of Naval Intelligence (OSI), their ships and their AI's!


O-ffice of N-aval I-telligence.....................................O-S-I?????? maybe office of space intelligence, but i don't think that applies to this story.

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deltafrce wrote:
O-ffice of N-aval I-telligence.....................................O-S-I?????? maybe office of space intelligence, but i don't think that applies to this story.


Read the halo books! ONI is pretty much the heart of the entire story! ONI - Office of Naval Intelligence. Them and their self-sentient 'smart' AIs are the spymasters and spooks of the Halo universe.

Why are you people trying to disprove this huge bag of evidence that was just dropped on us!?

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Its called thinking outside the box. And as for the Marathon/Halo story links, those are all complete bunk. You can choose one or the other, but not both Halo and Marathon at the same time. And the Cortana Letters are not even part of official Bungie story, period.

I'm not saying its not the Halo universe, I'm simply pointing out tidibits of information that simply do not fit into that universe.

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Not a good idea to ignore non-Bungie sources tied into the Halo universe. One key aspect of these kinds of games is the more 'we' feed it, the deeper the rabbit hole gets. The Cortana letters are perfectly valid in this situation, since as several people pointed out, the first of these promo type games was based on a different time, with different people and only indirect links to the movie. Same is likely for the game.

Or to put it another way - characters/ideas included in the AI promo from the movie:

references to David, references to his 'mother', some organiztions found in the movie, but none of the characters from them, references to the doctor that made the AI in the movie suiciding, an explainaton of just how the earth froze over and who the robots at the end of the movie where.

Stuff not in the promo - virtually the entire bloody movie.

Stuff added in based in websites made by players, fiction crafted by players, in reaction to players actions, etc - more than half the game.

So, there is no reason at all why the Cortana letters couldn't or wouldn't be used 'in' this promo and placing it so far out of sync with the Halo time frame *allows* them to craft a story that ties into and maybe provides some general hints about the overall story, without having to strictly follow the 'accepted' sources.

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, stop calling it a bloody squid, as someone from the old Cloudmaker team would have likely phrased it.

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Max Damage
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Kagehi Kossori wrote:
If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, stop calling it a bloody squid, as someone from the old Cloudmaker team would have likely phrased it.


Thank you! We need to put an end to crackpot paranoid theories that assume that everything we read is a lie, and that this is all just an elaborate plot for Dana to kill Aunt M and escape to China and/or the Shadowrun universe.

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