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[INFO/SPEC] Organization anyone?
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I find myself checking back on certain things, little memories I locked down tight and swaddled up for future reference. Seems as if all the 3-sense memories are gone - wiped out by the Assassin or the Servant or pure impact damage - but I still have some of the faintcopy


Is it possible that we might have yet another character, the Servant? Or is that just another name for SPDR?
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 		What context is the servant used in, ie who says it. If we know this we may be able to link him to another character or if hes a new charcter.
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 		No, I definitely think the Servant is separate.


I do agree with the previous posts that indicate that there may be multiple name assignation for one entity.

Ok, follow me here: I believe the S.P. (sleeping princess) is the same person who told us the story about the Queen, Widow, Sleeping Princess, and Pious Flea. I believe this because the process of getting us info is the same (embedding text in photos). Does anyone have evidence to support/contradict?

I really think that SPDR is the Queen. The Queen is how the S.P. (again, following my assumption of who wrote the story) describes it. And SPDR is how the ILB hijacker names it. However, the story would support that SPDR is the queen for this reason: that the Queen and SPDR are becoming alive. (the only bad part of this, is that the SPDR wasn't alive before, and was killed...) So that part is more tenuous.

The Operator seems to be separate thus far... I don't know how that's part of the duality of names thing...

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 		The person writing the open narrative (stuff about the Servant, the Spider, etc) seems to be the same person potentially with the MAYDAY texts. Is this agreed upon?

Same Modus Operandi, tends to give clues as to who's who, is all I'm trying to say here.

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 		I dont thin i can prove but I think i can back up you S.P theory writing the story,

We know the S.P was locked in the box by the queen. If this is a sandbox like the queen is stuck in, then the princess cannot see out of it. The story opens like this,


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Everything died, and I died with it, but after a timeless time I began to dream, and this is what I dreamed.


To the princess it would look like the everything is dead as she cant see out, but being that she is sleeping she could eventually begin to dream.

Of course the simpler idea is the idea of a coma (comotas in the theories) that meant the princess appeared dead, but was simply sleeping.

Does that make sense
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 		Re: [INFO/SPEC] Organization anyone?
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Where do you get that the SPDR/Queen/Operator, whatever is using the Ladybee account? I only show textual evidence for the S.P.

Now, if you can somehow link S.P. and one of the other characters (because I agree that we may have "story" names that intersect with "AI/self" names) But I don't think we have three. I think the max we have currently is two names per entity (dana/killer, S.P./operator?, Queen/SPDR)

I beg to differ. Here's how I'd group them:

Widow = SPDR = Servant
Queen = Operator = Melissa
Dana = Killer = Assassin (from Operator's point of view. After all, what would you call someone who keeps trying to destroy bits of you, and undo repairs being done to your being?)

Now, SPEC: ladybee777 = Sleeping Princess = Pious Flea?

Here's why: First, there are only three characters in the story, which are the Widow, the Queen, and the Flea. (Well, there was also a Manticore, but it's dead now.) Assuming that the hot, sandy, silicon Hell is Aunt Margaret's computer, only one of these three entities would be in a position to intercept and respond to e-mail to ladybee777. SPDR doesn't seem to have the capability or the inclination, and the Operator seems to "communciate" in quite a different way.

Second, Sleeping Princess seems confident about her ability not to be detected, just like the Pious Flea. (Although that begs the question of who dreamed and wrote the Story. If it was the Sleeping Princess -- and it's certainly logical to dream while you sleep -- then why is communication so much more limited now? But if it was SPDR/Operator/anyone else, then they'd know about the Flea.)

Biggest problem with this SPEC is, obviously, the fact that the Flea is male and a Princess is female. Hey, has anyone tried to send ladybee777 an e-mail containing the words "Sleeping Prince"?

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 		It is possible that not all of the charcters no of each other. Thus we may be looking at some charcters with 2 names, others with 3.
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 		By the way the Pious flea cannot be the princess, as they were both mentined in the same contest as being the other 2 survivors
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 		This is the kind of Spec I like!

Ok, here's what I'm thinking, based on what we know:

First of all, good point with the dream stuff... why I didn't connect that before (I forgot, but still, how could I forget such a huge point!?!) That, in my mind, gives more credence that the story and the Q&A are written by the same entity. However, the sandbox stuff is going on a ledge. I don't know about that part.

However, I think the Queen is the Spider. How can people think that the Spider is the Widow. (I am not bashing.. I really want interpretation here..)

(**EDIT- I do see how the Operator can be the spider, since the operator seems to be waking, and that's what we'd assume the Spider would do, since it's been revived.)

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 		Also, in retrospect, I agree that Pious Flea is NOT the S.P. No way. They're even in the same story as two separate entities! They're definitely not friends of the Widow, and by extension, the Spider, however. So they have that link goin' for them... which is nice...

(sorry I had to)

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 		I tell you what, I like all of your ideas though, people... I wish we'd get some more people posting their ideas though... I feel like it's the three or so of us spewing ideas here, and we're not thinking broadly enough. We've got a lot of info, and I feel like we've got less going for us per diem than we did yesterday, with less info to deal with...

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 		Are we assuming that the Queen wrote the Mayday parts.

If we are, we could really do with finding the Pious flea.
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 		Actually, I am under the assumption that the Operator wrote the MAYDAY texts. It actually says in one of them something like "My nickname was the Operator" or something... does anyone have the actual text?

(I'm not officially quoting cuz I don't have it somewhere I can look it up)

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 		Re: [INFO/SPEC] Organization anyone?
Dorkmaster wrote:
However, I think the Queen is the Spider. How can people think that the Spider is the Widow. (I am not bashing.. I really want interpretation here..)

For me, the main reason is that the Dream Story describes the Widow slaying a Manticore and patching up the Queen from her former subjects. Meanwhile, the stray code on ilovebees.com shows SPDR executing commands that have been quite cleverly linked to the Window's actions. The Operator frequently comments on "the Spider" crawling on her, sticking in probes, crossing and uncrossing wires, and sewing her back together. I interpret this as the Widow working on the Queen. Finally, the story ends with the Widow proclaiming that the Queen will return, and warning against inteference, which to me sounds a lot like SPDR's "HALT" message on the ilovebees site.

The Operator also says something about "Widow stuck in her pin," which resulted in the links that led to the Castaway story. This does two things for me: one, it confirms that SPDR = Widow; two, if it's not just a mistake on the part of our PM's, it means that the Operator knows about the Story...which means that the Operator knows about the Pious Flea, who isn't hiding as well as he may think. Yikes.

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the Sea. "Melissa", he called me Melissa, never
used my nickname, "It's a sad thing I'm married,


If Melissa is the queen, as assumed, thencould her nickname have been the operator?
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