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[SPOILER][RANT] ARG versus MOVIE
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m_talon
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TPMdm wrote:

I wanted the monster in the movie to be the same one who destroyed Chuai station. This simply can not be. Chuai was attacked December 26/27, 2007. I'm not sure about the year, but NYC gets attacked in May (either 07 or 0Cool. So either the whole world forgot about NYC being destroyed by a monster when Chuai gets destroyed or the monster was totally silent and the post Chuai investigation turned up nothing "monsterish" during the 7 months after the attack leading up to the NYC attack.


I think it's highly unlikely that NYC takes place prior to Chuai. My guess would be that Chuai happened first, and then NYC (if the dates are held to, that is).

We're talking about an unknown creature here that's been slumbering for thousands of years. Maybe after Chuai was destroyed it decided to take a short nap for a few weeks. Maybe something else woke it up again and it followed it to NYC. The month long lull could be easily explained.

The major point is that most people would not automatically assume "monster attack" with Chuai. Tagruato has a nice scapegoat in TIDOWave, and eco-terrorism makes more sense to people than giant monster. Only the people on the station would know what really happened, and that limits it to Tagruato employees and TIDOWave operatives. The Tag folks who survived will naturally tow the company line (TIDOWave did it), and there's no one left at TIDOWave to argue the fact. If anything, the connection between Chuai and MGP will only be obvious AFTER New York is destroyed, which means after the events of the movie.

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hytone
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 		I know nobody cares, but I'll share my views on this whole deal. Just because I need to get it out of my head.

I saw the 1-18-08 site when it was still thought to be related to the Ethan Haas site, when there were only about 2 or 3 pictures. I figured it had nothing to do with anything interesting, so I forgot about it. Then Cloverfield teasers started running on TV. Most of the folks I know thought it was going to be a Godzilla movie. But I called it: it's just going to be some Blair Witch Project crap. I briefly ran over the Tagruato and Slusho sites, and forgot about it again... But discussing it again earlier today piqued my interest in the whole story.

No, I haven't been deeply involved with the "game".
Yes, I only read all the clues and whatnot today.
Yes, I'm bothered by the move to May.
Yes, I'm bothered by the lack of the Tag scenario.
Yes, I'm bothered by the monster looking nothing like a deep-sea creature. (Especially since I'm an aspiring marine biologist...)
Yes, I'm still going to see the movie.

But I still feel pretty cheated--cheated out of a story that, to me, is a lot more interesting than a shaky film about buildings being toppled over and explosions. I'd rather see the scientists in lab coats that Drew Goddard mentioned in the slashfield.com interview.
Will we find out more about TIDO and Teddy? ... Probably not. We'll probably be left, after the 17th, with nothing more. There will be a big, cryptic update. And then all the related websites will redirect to Paramount, and we'll be stuck with the mysteries of the DSI scenario. I can hear it now: "We decided to leave that up to the audience! It's way more interesting when you don't know what the whole story is! Your imagination is better than ours!" Just like all movies like this. Personally, I'm too stuck on the DSI being suspiciously similar to The Stuff... if I never get an explanation, that's what DSI will be for me. And I don't think that's any better than what the creators thought up... blegh.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts on the subject... I'm tired and hungry, and there was a lot more digging into the movie that I wanted to do, but I'll have to end it here. Oh, and hello.

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TPMdm
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tMan930 wrote:
Don't you guys watch Lost? There's going to be a monstrous mind-fuck that will make us all say "OOOOOOOOOOOOH!".

No one knows anything. Quit saying that "This is how it is. Sorry, just is." You don't know jack, none of us do.


Ok, go look at 01-18-08.com and tell me some of the pictures don't depict the stuff we're going to see in the movie, which takes place in May. Tell me those pictures aren't dated 01-18-08. There's you're mind-fuck, except it makes me say "laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame"

Up until these showings if something came out and somebody questioned whether or not it was part of the "campaign" people would check it with 01-18-08.com.... What happens if we do the same with the movie?

You know why people "forget" about Reeves' statement about it not taking place on 01/18/08? IIRC that's all he said. Everybody threw it out and thought he meant the movie takes place on the 17th and the tape gets found onthe 18th or some other such date nonsense. If Reeves would have said something like, "This movie doesn't take place in January, in fact it takes place in late spring" people would be a little bothered by it.

Know what really happened, no game, real life? JJ fucked himself with his obsession over secrecy. 01-18-08 got too tied up with the name and then the viral marketing, they even went so far as "fix" the temperature on the newscast.

I'm still totally looking forward to watching this movie, but I am now going in forgetting tag, TIDOwave, slusho, DSN, the myspace 7, chuai station, all of it. Ganu be damned, this is going to be one hell of a movie.

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 		So, yet another thing from this ARG?AREViral whatever that doesn't match with the movie.

Some quotes from the behind the scenes interviews thread:


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Did anyone realize that everything Caplan (Marlena) says in the interview completely contradicts everything we know from the Myspace pages? She says she only knows Lil, and maybe rob a bit, but lil, jamie and beth all post on her wall and Jason is even mentioned... argh.


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I have noticed the inconsistencies in Marlena's character. Michael Stahl David also addressed in an interview that Marlena was sort of the outsider who didn't know anyone, but yet for whatever reason the marketing people have Marlena in the Top Friends of the others on myspace (except for Hud).

My guess would be that marketing did that because how are they going to introduce a character online if she doesn't really know any of the others? But at the same time, why do they have her commenting on Rob and Beth's pages then?

That doesn't follow, but I'm not sure how much Abrams and the others have to do with what happens on myspace.

The behind the scenes footage is pretty awesome though.


So the marketing people and the people making the movie don't seem to have the same notes. No wonder this thing is so screwed now.
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m_talon
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*sigh*...after listening to the behind the scenes stuff, I've almost given up on trying to reconcile the differences. It's like the marketing folks got certain information, and then they changed it up before the movie came out. That's not unusual, since things happen during shooting/editing and such, but in this case it makes a mess since the two stories were supposed to fit together. The VMC was supposed to be our lead up for the movie, but now it barely fits.

Here's what we've got as far as disconnects of the MAJOR variety:

1) Marlena ISN'T one of the friends. She's an acquaintance of Lil's who stopped by the party and ends up dragged into Rob's drama. Too bad for her...she shoulda stayed home. Anyway, that invalidates all of the comments between her and the others (aside from Jamie).

2) The farewell party takes place in MAY, not JANUARY. That means Rob talking about leaving soon is bogus, as well as the dates on the pictures on 1-18-08.com.

Ok, one final attempt at reconciliation. In order to make it all work, we have to declare the myspace pages and the 1-18-08.com photos with dates NON-CANON. That removes all the problems with Marlena and the dates around Rob's departure and farewell party.

That leaves us with just the story of Jamie, Teddy, TIDOWave, and Tagruato/Slusho. That story can conceivably occur in the time frame reflected in the various posts/videos/press releases. As I've stated before, no one at this time would have any reason to suspect anything happened at Chuai other than industrial accident or sabotage. If MGP hauled out to the deep Atlantic afterwards, then he could conceivably hide there until he decided to go see Spamalot on Broadway in May Smile

Anyone see a problem with that? The other option is to disregard all dates and all comments dealing with Marlena to make it fit, but I think that's too much a leap of faith. I'd rather flag a source as non-canon (OOG) than do that.

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m_talon wrote:
*sigh*...after listening to the behind the scenes stuff, I've almost given up on trying to reconcile the differences. (snip)


Damn, it's comming full circle. Just as I'm getting more excited the more I've decided to seperate the ARE/whatever from the movie you start this with a *sigh*

Come on m_talon! You're one of the voices of sanity! This is going to be a great movie! Just forget about the ARE when you go see it. It's what I plan on doing and I'm going to have fun.

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 		Re: [SPOILER][RANT] ARG versus MOVIE
There be spoilers here. Don't look!
Dude, you lived tha shitty life in believing the ARGS posted in Unfiction..

In short, you are in the world of Unfiction

You will definitely awaken once you see the film.. now thats real as you are seating in front of a large screen

Good Luck! when it opens nationwide on Friday!

oh.. WTF should be addressed to yourself.. once you seen the film


starshiptrooper wrote:
I posted this in another thread, but I'll put it here in it's own thread and avoid putting possible spoilers in other threads.

There have been 3 other reviews on 3 other sites today by 3 different people, in addition to the one posted here by LC, and they all match up pretty well with this one. I'm about ready to call it legit, and officially say:


The monster sounds pretty disappointing. I think I would've prefered that Konig concept to what's been described. I think only it's sheer size will make it impressive. It sounds like the Rancor from Return of the Jedi, with a couple more little arms.

The late May date and not even a mention of Slusho/Tag/TIDO is really annoying. Makes it seem like this whole ARG, or whatever it is, has been just some kind of alternate universe thing that means exactly jack shit. I really don't want to even play any more.

I've spent three months following this thing, over a month actually playing, and what do we get from it? "Sorry, none of that stuff matters to the movie. Your Slusho! shirt won't mean anything to anybody at the theater that night, but you."

Does anyone else who's put time into this thing every night when you could be sleeping, making sweet love to your wife, husband or other, or spending time with the kids, or doing damn near anything else, feel a bit cheated? If the reviews are true (and it looks like they are) this movie could have ANY backstory anyone could come up with. By the time the DVD comes out, JJ and Reeves could come up with a backstory that has nothing to do with this ARG.

I'm sure the movie will be great, but I'm starting to think I would enjoy it a LOT more if I'd never been involved with the online stuff. I feel the most sorry for those on this board that have had the will power to not read any spoilers and then they go into the movie expecting this ARG to mean something.... and NOT ONE FUCKING MENTION OF ANYTHING IN IT!

WTF JJ??


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 		Quotes go BEFORE what you have to say about them, and lose the big bold type!

Your posts aren't any more important than anyone else's.

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tMan930 wrote:
Quotes go BEFORE what you have to say about them, and lose the big bold type!

Your posts aren't any more important than anyone else's.


Its important to you as you are referencing it more to your personal annoyance to my responses rather than going with the thread topic

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TPMdm wrote:
m_talon wrote:
*sigh*...after listening to the behind the scenes stuff, I've almost given up on trying to reconcile the differences. (snip)


Damn, it's comming full circle. Just as I'm getting more excited the more I've decided to seperate the ARE/whatever from the movie you start this with a *sigh*

Come on m_talon! You're one of the voices of sanity! This is going to be a great movie! Just forget about the ARE when you go see it. It's what I plan on doing and I'm going to have fun.


Me? Sanity? Oh we're all in trouble now. Twisted Evil

Seriously, I'm not as grumpy about it as that might have sounded. It was late, I was (and still am) sick. I was just trying to come up with something to soothe the savage fanboys, but I ended up sounding like one. I blame the Benadryl. Rolling Eyes

Have I enjoyed the online story? Yep. It's not one of the best, but it's been pretty cool. Especially considering the tight time frame and the secrecy around the film.

Will I go see the movie? HECK YEAH! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Probably twice if not more.

Will any online story disconnects ruin the movie for me? Not a chance. To me, the movie is the defining part of the story. That's what we're waiting for. The online stuff was just fluff to keep us interested. Whether or not they fix it or just shrug and say whoops, it's not going to change my opinion of the movie one iota.

If I wasn't so durn sick with a cold, I'd be bouncing in anticipation. This whole experience has been fun. No matter how the movie turns out, this has been memorable.

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tukmol wrote:
tMan930 wrote:
Quotes go BEFORE what you have to say about them, and lose the big bold type!

Your posts aren't any more important than anyone else's.


Its important to you as you are referencing it more to your personal annoyance to my responses rather than going with the thread topic


Hypocrite.
Very Happy

At least, I assume that your response had nothing to do with this thread. It's hard to tell, when the things you type don't make sense.

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 		What? Does anybody speak Troll? I don't understand one word of that either, tMan.
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 		I haven't read this thread but with the reviews coming in and the addition of the Manga to the ARG I would say the ARG wins hands down.

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rocksmars wrote:
I haven't read this thread...

Then, clearly, you don't know why the thread is titled "ARG versus MOVIE". Wink

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