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dronetek
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 		Anti-Fox news Hysteria.
I've read a bunch of forums with people complaining for Fox running the stories about certain groups upset about 9/11 references in the movie.

First of all, the Fox story I saw on it actually said these people are nuts and to go see the movie. I doubt any of the mouth breathing anti-fox crowd bothered to see the story before they went in to full bush/fox/republican derangement syndrome.

One other note, both CNN and MSNBC have run the same story.

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 		Do you have a link to the story or anything?
I'd like to see it. Not saying I don't believe you or anything, I'm just lazy and don't want to go search for it.
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 		http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323106,00.html
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Later in the film, the main characters go to the city's new Twin Towers, represented by the Time Warner Center. The structure looks so much like the World Trade Center that you have to wonder what these people were thinking. "Cloverfield" was truly made by California movie people. No one in New York would ever be this insensitive.

But I suppose I'm being too sensitive. "Cloverfield" is just commercial entertainment. If you don't read anything into it, this slightly plotted edge-of-the-seat nail-biter is a good big studio take on "The Blair Witch Project." It's the perfect winter doldrums popcorn fest.



The TV spot on this story really played down any kind of 9/11 connection and suggested people see the movie. I just get really annoyed by the knee jerk anti-bush/fox/republican crowd that goes ape shit anytime they think Fox has wronged them in some way.

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Obviously, three-four paragraphs of 9/11-evoking, plus the dubious comment that Cloverfield "disses" NY for 9/11, says otherwise. Read your own review next time.

Interesting you even ignore the title of the piece - 'Cloverfield: Horror Film Not Sensitive About 9/11.'

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 		Fox news can blow me.

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Fox news can blow me.


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Cole wrote:
Fox news can blow me.


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You're just angry because you're wrong. Rolling Eyes

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 		Wow. I thought there was going to be some new story. Oh well. That's funny that you thought that statement was the equivalent of him saying that the people who are bashing Cloverfield being insensitive to 9/11 are nuts and to go see them movie.

I'm not anit Fox or anything, but seriously they are annoying.

And there were some parts of the movie that I thought wow that could be very painful for someone who went through 9/11 in NYC to watch but that was just one scene.
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 		Yes, but all the major news channels are annoying. If you're a left wing liberal you watch CNN or MSNBC and if you lean right you watch Fox. I just think its funny that so many people have been brainwashed into actually hating a news channel. Makes me wonder about mass brain washing.

Here is the same story on practically every other news outlet, yet all these people coming out of the woodwork to bash fox. Its just plain weird.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1704356,00.html
http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/01/13/cloverfield-big-monster-flick-or-9-11-allegory-by-michael-h-price/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/18/review.cloverfield/
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080117/REVIEWS/801170302/
http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/cloverfield-is-a-horror/18158/

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dronetek wrote:
Yes, but all the major news channels are annoying. If you're a left wing liberal you watch CNN or MSNBC and if you lean right you watch Fox. I just think its funny that so many people have been brainwashed into actually hating a news channel. Makes me wonder about mass brain washing.

Here is the same story on practically every other news outlet, yet all these people coming out of the woodwork to bash fox. Its just plain weird.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1704356,00.html
http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/01/13/cloverfield-big-monster-flick-or-9-11-allegory-by-michael-h-price/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/18/review.cloverfield/
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080117/REVIEWS/801170302/
http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/cloverfield-is-a-horror/18158/


None of those articles/reviews (the interview doesn't count - we know it has 9/11 symbolism) you just posted are anywhere near as inflammatory (note that word - it's very important) as the Fox review. While all of those articles above touch on the concept of 9/11 symbolism, Fox makes the whole film out to be like a parody of 9/11 (the word "disses" from the review comes to mind) and suggests the film is terrible because of the 9/11 symbolism. Godzilla used A-bomb symbolism (a whole lot worse for Japan, might I add), and that was a national epic. The Fox review is just unnecessarily inflammatory.

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Bacon Army wrote:
dronetek wrote:
Yes, but all the major news channels are annoying. If you're a left wing liberal you watch CNN or MSNBC and if you lean right you watch Fox. I just think its funny that so many people have been brainwashed into actually hating a news channel. Makes me wonder about mass brain washing.

Here is the same story on practically every other news outlet, yet all these people coming out of the woodwork to bash fox. Its just plain weird.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1704356,00.html
http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/01/13/cloverfield-big-monster-flick-or-9-11-allegory-by-michael-h-price/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/18/review.cloverfield/
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080117/REVIEWS/801170302/
http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/cloverfield-is-a-horror/18158/


None of those articles/reviews (the interview doesn't count - we know it has 9/11 symbolism) you just posted are anywhere near as inflammatory (note that word - it's very important) as the Fox review. While all of those articles above touch on the concept of 9/11 symbolism, Fox makes the whole film out to be like a parody of 9/11 (the word "disses" from the review comes to mind) and suggests the film is terrible because of the 9/11 symbolism. Godzilla used A-bomb symbolism (a whole lot worse for Japan, might I add), and that was a national epic. The Fox review is just unnecessarily inflammatory.

Go back and read them, each of them says that some groups felt it was exploitation. Look, the Fox article simply lays out on side of the argument, than says its oversensitive and to go see the movie. Beleive me, when i saw the TV spot last night I went nuts about how stupid Fox was being. That was until they laughed at the idea its a slap against NY and suggested everyone go see the movie.

What exactly bothers you about an article that says that argument is overly sensitive and to go see the movie? You're just looking to be offended.

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 		24?
That's why I'm mad: Fox made millions off of 9/11 with the TV show 24 (which, as much as I hate to admit being a fan of a Fox show, remains one of my favorite shows), 24 was released mere months after 9/11. So if Fox News wants to write articals flaming movies just because they remind Fox of 9/11, they should say they did the same thing with 24.

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dronetek wrote:
Bacon Army wrote:
dronetek wrote:
Yes, but all the major news channels are annoying. If you're a left wing liberal you watch CNN or MSNBC and if you lean right you watch Fox. I just think its funny that so many people have been brainwashed into actually hating a news channel. Makes me wonder about mass brain washing.

Here is the same story on practically every other news outlet, yet all these people coming out of the woodwork to bash fox. Its just plain weird.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1704356,00.html
http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/01/13/cloverfield-big-monster-flick-or-9-11-allegory-by-michael-h-price/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/18/review.cloverfield/
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080117/REVIEWS/801170302/
http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/cloverfield-is-a-horror/18158/


None of those articles/reviews (the interview doesn't count - we know it has 9/11 symbolism) you just posted are anywhere near as inflammatory (note that word - it's very important) as the Fox review. While all of those articles above touch on the concept of 9/11 symbolism, Fox makes the whole film out to be like a parody of 9/11 (the word "disses" from the review comes to mind) and suggests the film is terrible because of the 9/11 symbolism. Godzilla used A-bomb symbolism (a whole lot worse for Japan, might I add), and that was a national epic. The Fox review is just unnecessarily inflammatory.

Go back and read them, each of them says that some groups felt it was exploitation. Look, the Fox article simply lays out on side of the argument, than says its oversensitive and to go see the movie. Beleive me, when i saw the TV spot last night I went nuts about how stupid Fox was being. That was until they laughed at the idea its a slap against NY and suggested everyone go see the movie.

What exactly bothers you about an article that says that argument is overly sensitive and to go see the movie? You're just looking to be offended.


*facepalm*

Are you even reading the same articles I am? None of those articles that you are using as evidence weigh in on the side of the 'insulted' who feel it is exploiting 9/11 - they acknowledge there's some symbolism (Time consistently so, but they're in an interview with Abrams, it can be forgiven), but then go on to talk about the movie itself. There's one, two paragraphs tops on the subject.

The Fox News 'review' is a whole different kettle of fish. Let me show you.

Roger Friedman, Fox News wrote:

'Cloverfield': Horror Film Not Sensitive About 9/11

Matt Reeves' "Cloverfield," produced by J.J. Abrams of "Lost" and "Alias" fame, [i]is an 84-minute rollercoaster ride of a monster movie that should be a big hit.

But Cloverfield also inadvertently disses New York for what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, by re-enacting scenes of buildings exploding and massive clouds of debris for fun and profit.

Does no one recall what was said following the World Trade Center disasters? There was such sensitivity about the huge human losses that images of the Twin Towers were erased from movie posters and excised from films.

Yet six years later, the "Cloverfield" gang is cool enough with it to show New York being pulverized. Very quickly and without warning, downtown New York is destroyed. The first bit of damage is depicted by a World Trade Center-like structure exploding and collapsing downward, sending off a cloud not unlike those my friends ran from that day.
Later in the film, the main characters go to the city's new Twin Towers, represented by the Time Warner Center. The structure looks so much like the World Trade Center that you have to wonder what these people were thinking. "Cloverfield" was truly made by California movie people. No one in New York would ever be this insensitive.

But I suppose I'm being too sensitive. "Cloverfield" is just commercial entertainment. If you don't read anything into it, this slightly plotted edge-of-the-seat nail-biter is a good big studio take on "The Blair Witch Project." It's the perfect winter doldrums popcorn fest.

The clever aspect of Reeves' film is that it's all shot with a handheld camera that's supposed to be the camcorder belonging to one of the main characters. This gives the film an intimate feel, and the look is very personal as the city is devoured.

Reeves and Abrams do not supply much information, just that good-looking young professionals are interrupted from their partying by the the destruction of the city.

Screenwriter Drew Goddard, who comes from Abrams' TV circle with "Lost" and "Alias," has only turned in two acts — which is fine for the small screen but lacking for the big one. Hence, "Cloverfield" ends abruptly and leaves a lot of questions unanswered. (Shades of "Lost.")

"Cloverfield" boasts a small but plucky cast of young unknowns, and they're not bad, although none of them really breaks out. Lizzy Caplan as Marlena, who is bitten by the monster, does the most with the least in the Ally Sheedy role from "Breakfast Club." The others — Michael Stahl-David, T.J. Miller, Jessica Lucas and Odette Yustman — must bear the brunt of the script's lack of humor or wit or any subplot. Give them points for that.


In bold are the heavy, very inflammatory references to 9/11. Phrases like "No one in New York would ever be this insensitive" and "re-enacting scenes of buildings exploding and massive clouds of debris for fun and profit" don't exactly sound dismissive of the 9/11 connection, which seems to be one of your main argument. And no, his half-arsed "But maybe I'm being too sensitive" does not negate everything he just said - as an unprofessional reviewer, I know that a comment like that is effectively a handwave so he can defend himself later. It's like saying "I think that Barack Obama eats babies and is the Antichrist" on national television, only to follow it up by smiling meekly and saying quietly "but that's just my opinion".

In italics are the good things the reviewer says about the film. He basically says it's clever yet unremarkable, humourless, filled with okay acting, and "commercial entertainment" (a way for a reviewer to say "it's dumb, but that's okay"). Nowhere in there does he say explicitly (or for that matter, subtly) that you should go see this movie.

Check. Your move.

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dronetek wrote:
Bacon Army wrote:
dronetek wrote:
Yes, but all the major news channels are annoying. If you're a left wing liberal you watch CNN or MSNBC and if you lean right you watch Fox. I just think its funny that so many people have been brainwashed into actually hating a news channel. Makes me wonder about mass brain washing.

Here is the same story on practically every other news outlet, yet all these people coming out of the woodwork to bash fox. Its just plain weird.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1704356,00.html
http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/01/13/cloverfield-big-monster-flick-or-9-11-allegory-by-michael-h-price/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/18/review.cloverfield/
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080117/REVIEWS/801170302/
http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/cloverfield-is-a-horror/18158/


None of those articles/reviews (the interview doesn't count - we know it has 9/11 symbolism) you just posted are anywhere near as inflammatory (note that word - it's very important) as the Fox review. While all of those articles above touch on the concept of 9/11 symbolism, Fox makes the whole film out to be like a parody of 9/11 (the word "disses" from the review comes to mind) and suggests the film is terrible because of the 9/11 symbolism. Godzilla used A-bomb symbolism (a whole lot worse for Japan, might I add), and that was a national epic. The Fox review is just unnecessarily inflammatory.

Go back and read them, each of them says that some groups felt it was exploitation. Look, the Fox article simply lays out on side of the argument, than says its oversensitive and to go see the movie. Beleive me, when i saw the TV spot last night I went nuts about how stupid Fox was being. That was until they laughed at the idea its a slap against NY and suggested everyone go see the movie.

What exactly bothers you about an article that says that argument is overly sensitive and to go see the movie? You're just looking to be offended.


In my opinion you're just looking for an argument.
I visit Foxnews.com more than just one time a day and I also visit MSNBC. I don't like the article because it doesn't stick with it's original thought. Either say you hated the movie for not being sensitive to victims of 9/11 or say that you liked it. Don't start out dissing the movie then say that it was good.
Also he compared it to the blair witch project. There was no comparison.

Edit: Bacon, I'm glad you're faster than me. I took somethings out.
These forums are soooo slow now..
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Bacon Army wrote:
dronetek wrote:
Cole wrote:
Fox news can blow me.


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Rage against the machine man.


You're just angry because you're wrong. Rolling Eyes


well, maybe, but now you have something in common with Fox news, you can BOTH blow me!

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