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[QUESTION] SPOILERWas it a nuke or some kind of bombardment?
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WartyHogger
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Well, about the nuke thing, it looked like it was in this year or a few years back (Thus making George Bush president :O) So there for say, omg beast, nuke it. And there you go, And seeing that when hud stares at the beast. He dosent have a scratch on him, nor did his lung thingys on his head "Pop" So I really really doubt a nuke will kill it, and if you look in the background where they carry rob away and he goes back for the camera, Looking at the background, New York looked like it was nuked already. Neutral (not saying they did but) a monster doing that much damage on 1 city and all the rockets, tanks, bullest, air coverage they had and dident kill it, well, They only balsted it 1000 of miles away and probably sent it to londan or something. O; part 2 please Smile

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Notice they had multiple explosions. If they deployed a nuke I would expect they'd choose a payload large enough to be done in only one deliver. I especially doubt they'd do quick successions.

Neutron bombs are an air burst technology I believe. I discussed them with a friend that had done nuke stuff in the Air Force, and he said they do more physical damage locally than you might be led to believe, and leave more residual radiation than you might be led to believe. It's more a matter of being able to go back in months or years instead of centuries.
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Air bursts have minimal radiation, but besides that point, it wasn't nuclear even though that's what I was expecting. Even an air burst would of fried the camera.
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EmmanuelGoldstein wrote:
Air bursts have minimal radiation, but besides that point, it wasn't nuclear even though that's what I was expecting. Even an air burst would of fried the camera.


would it have fried it under the debris?

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xboyonfirex wrote:
EmmanuelGoldstein wrote:
Air bursts have minimal radiation, but besides that point, it wasn't nuclear even though that's what I was expecting. Even an air burst would of fried the camera.


would it have fried it under the debris?


Yea, the EMP would go through the rubble like water through a screen door on a sub.
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i dont think it was a nuke. the person on the first page states all the logical facts as to why it wasnt a nuke. It probably was just carpet bombing, and just really really deadly explosives. i dont think they would risk spreading radiation to other parts of new york/the world just to get rid of a monster in manhattan.

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penguin-1203 wrote:
i dont think it was a nuke. the person on the first page states all the logical facts as to why it wasnt a nuke. It probably was just carpet bombing, and just really really deadly explosives. i dont think they would risk spreading radiation to other parts of new york/the world just to get rid of a monster in manhattan.


Excatlly. But those sirens just got me bugged, proably just did a huge carpet bomb over all of manhatten to get rid of the huge beast/beasts (i tihnks theres more then 1) and the small ones wonder around. Or maybe hammer down was like The Simpsons Movie....

DOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

possibly? D:

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WartyHogger wrote:
penguin-1203 wrote:
i dont think it was a nuke. the person on the first page states all the logical facts as to why it wasnt a nuke. It probably was just carpet bombing, and just really really deadly explosives. i dont think they would risk spreading radiation to other parts of new york/the world just to get rid of a monster in manhattan.


Excatlly. But those sirens just got me bugged, proably just did a huge carpet bomb over all of manhatten to get rid of the huge beast/beasts (i tihnks theres more then 1) and the small ones wonder around. Or maybe hammer down was like The Simpsons Movie....

DOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

possibly? D:
i think the seiren is to alert anyone in the area of any sort of bombing. just so no one is caught off gaurd. it doesnt matter what kind of bombing, they let that seiren out.

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The siren thing bothers me. The stealth bomber carpet bombed MGP right before MGP took out the chopper they were in. During that carpet bombing and before it while they were still on the ground I couldn't hear any sirens. It kinda makes sense that you couldn't hear the sirens while they were in the chopper, but while they were on the ground? The HammerDown sirens were set to go off two minutes before (insert whatever bomb or bombs it was) hit. I don't know if the siren simply was meant to signal a larger less targeted strike or a nuke.

I'm still unsure what bomb or bombs were used at the end.

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Phoenixka wrote:
The siren thing bothers me. The stealth bomber carpet bombed MGP right before MGP took out the chopper they were in. During that carpet bombing and before it while they were still on the ground I couldn't hear any sirens. It kinda makes sense that you couldn't hear the sirens while they were in the chopper, but while they were on the ground? The HammerDown sirens were set to go off two minutes before (insert whatever bomb or bombs it was) hit. I don't know if the siren simply was meant to signal a larger less targeted strike or a nuke.

I'm still unsure what bomb or bombs were used at the end.

i know what you mean. but i highly doubt that a nuke was used. like, why would the president nuke his own country? that, to me, just makes aboslutely no sense. its like cutting off your arm because a musquito bit you on the elbow.

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penguin-1203 wrote:
Phoenixka wrote:
The siren thing bothers me. The stealth bomber carpet bombed MGP right before MGP took out the chopper they were in. During that carpet bombing and before it while they were still on the ground I couldn't hear any sirens. It kinda makes sense that you couldn't hear the sirens while they were in the chopper, but while they were on the ground? The HammerDown sirens were set to go off two minutes before (insert whatever bomb or bombs it was) hit. I don't know if the siren simply was meant to signal a larger less targeted strike or a nuke.

I'm still unsure what bomb or bombs were used at the end.

i know what you mean. but i highly doubt that a nuke was used. like, why would the president nuke his own country? that, to me, just makes aboslutely no sense. its like cutting off your arm because a musquito bit you on the elbow.


Cause he's George Bush? D:

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I REALLY don't think it was a nuke, it wasn't one blast it was many small blasts that buried the camera. also:
1. no huge flash of lightk
2. dropping even a small nuke would blow away Jersey City, Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx, I don't think they would be able to evacuate all those areas and I REALLY doubt that they would consider that acceptable losses
3. radiation would blanket everything for at least 100 miles around the blast, 100 square miles of east coast heavily populated areas, I REALLY doubt the army would do this.

no army would be that crazy, no I get the feeling it was more along the lines of MOAB and carpet bombing.

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Also, Washington DC is rather close, if the wind blows towards there, Washington is as good as evacuated.

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penguin-1203 wrote:
i dont think it was a nuke. the person on the first page states all the logical facts as to why it wasnt a nuke. It probably was just carpet bombing, and just really really deadly explosives..


Yeah, their final plan was to CONTINUE carpet bombing. You guys are cracking me up. "God help us, we are about to keep doing the same thing we;ve done the entire movie" Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense!

Also love the vialed Bush bashing. It really shows the level of maturity around here and I'm guessing deductive skills.

To all of you that keep claiming "you heard multiple explosions", please explain to me where in the movie you DIDNT hear multiple explosions? It never stops!

List of things No-Nuke people are ignoring:

-God help us
-Warning of the final plan IF bombings dont work
-bombing sounds throughout movie that never stop
-fuel air bomb for use underground/caves
-dropping a MOAB isn't a huge step up from 7 hours of carpet bombing
-several references to the fact everyone has been evacuated

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dronetek wrote:
penguin-1203 wrote:
i dont think it was a nuke. the person on the first page states all the logical facts as to why it wasnt a nuke. It probably was just carpet bombing, and just really really deadly explosives..


Yeah, their final plan was to CONTINUE carpet bombing. You guys are cracking me up. "God help us, we are about to keep doing the same thing we;ve done the entire movie" Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense!

Also love the vialed Bush bashing. It really shows the level of maturity around here and I'm guessing deductive skills.

To all of you that keep claiming "you heard multiple explosions", please explain to me where in the movie you DIDNT hear multiple explosions? It never stops!

List of things No-Nuke people are ignoring:

-God help us
-Warning of the final plan IF bombings dont work
-bombing sounds throughout movie that never stop
-fuel air bomb for use underground/caves
-dropping a MOAB isn't a huge step up from 7 hours of carpet bombing
-several references to the fact everyone has been evacuated


Well, looking at your points, not one definitively suggests a nuclear strike. I will refute them in order:

1. "God help us." - This could easily be explained by an escalation of the bombing to level the city -- whether through the use of a greater concentration of multiple bombs, or a few MOAB/FAE strikes. Either one could be used to level a city (see Dresden, Germany).

2. They specifically said "conventional bombing." Making the decision to level a city is certainly NOT a conventional plan -- especially if it's one of your own.

3. Of course the bombing is not going to stop. At first they were obviously trying to kill it, but the latter bombing may have been used to drive it into the open in Central Park, and then later to keep it in the main strike zone.

4. Yes the FAEs are used on caves, primarily because there is not traditionally a large population around caves, and the FAE is a VERY destructive weapon. It would be insanity (not to mention bad PR) to use it in a city... unless you had no other choice. In the movie "Outbreak" the government planned to use a FAE to destroy a town infected with a nasty virus. Obviously that's fiction, but presumably they did enough research to believe that it was a plausible response from the government under the circumstances.

5. Dropping MOAB or an FAE is indeed a huge step up from simple bombing... and by the way, they were NOT carpet bombing in the movie. Yes they dropped multiple bombs on the target, but traditional carpet bombing covers a much wider area. If you want to see an FAE in action, look it up on YouTube. Smile

6. There was a big monster smashing the city and eating people, so of course they want everyone out of the city, though there is no way to be sure that everyone was out. They were most likely talking about getting THEIR people out since they were about to ramp up the attack.

Naturally ALL of this -- yours and mine -- is strictly speculation until JJ himself comes out and says: "yeah, they nuked the city" or "yeah, they used a fuel/air bomb."

I am enjoying the discussion about it though. Smile

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