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Shad0
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 		Re: mmmm
Theory wrote:
This is an actual AIm convorsation with someone who claims to be SPDR, SPDR from this I got is playing the part of a forerunner
EssPeeDeeAre, is SPDR
Eisforpants, is the person asking most of the questions, don't pay attention to his logic, a lot of it is wrong for the most part.

Trout Redirecting discussion of this AIM conversation to this thread. For the record, seems like another hoax to me.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:52 pm
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fubarz
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 		I have a spec that the Princess is a human (brain/mind and maybe in a body) that is embedded in the the greater sentient AI system (non-organic) of the ship (the Queen) that has crashed/disabled on the earth. I think the Princess functioned in the system as the Operator.
In the crash everyone on board is dead except the princess because she is in some sort of suspension chamber. That is why she seems to have no or limited sensory input.
The greater sentient AI is highly damaged and is being repaired by the Spider. Spider being some sort of emergency repair mechanism with limited AI ability.
I think the Flea is a small semi-sentient AI that is a symbiotic relationship with the Princess.
The Queen with the aid of the Spider is infesting the net.
The Princess is regaining her independence from the Queen, because the over all system damage released the control the Queen had over her, and she is now free.
I think the fragmentary conversations were from her past before she was enslaved into the system.
The Queen is out to get Dana because she was trying to repair the computer and thus rid the system of the Queen.
I am predicting that the story is about the battle of the Princess to get free from the Queen. And once free from the Queen she will fight the Queen and stop the Queen from over the net and Earth.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:04 pm
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ThatOtherGuy
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 		Interesting theory fubarz, but I'm not exactly true if that is the case. If the sleeping princess is a Human, then why did she act so confused on the questions hidden in the killer pictures? Unless her memory was hooked up to the ship for some reason, there is no explanation for the sleeping princess to be confused by the question mark if she was really a Human. At this point we must keep all theories in mind because we don't really know much, (especially about the sleeping princess and the pious flea), but I wouldn't be surprized if the sleeping princess turned out to be another program.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:35 pm
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Lutz
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Max Damage wrote:
Excellent stuff. However, there is one objection I have.

I don't believe the Spider is a robot, but rather just an autonomous AI routine, linked but able to act semi-independently to The Operator.

That is all.


Possible. Cortana (In Halo) left an autonomous subroutine to land the Pillar of Autumn on Halo.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:35 am
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MattXG
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 		just an interesting thing...
Hey I found an interesting line while at Ilovebees today. I don't know if it will mean much or help much but it provides an interesting fact....here it is:

"drift off from station, Reach burning in the darkness like a lantern of hope, dockyard after dockyard buzzing with worker"

Maybe it will be useful later.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:11 pm
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Rock Steady
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 		I'm not feeling the crash
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Wouldn't it be funny/cool/interesting if the ship that crashed to earth was Liliputian in scale?


Of course, if that were the case, shortly after arrival it would have been eaten by a small dog Wink [/hhgg]

Seriously, though, I don't think we are dealing with an actual ship crashing on Earth. I suspect more likely Melissa has somehow transmitted herself through space back to Earth and back in time (to warn us?). If that is the case, the question of "Why Dana?" is a very good one.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:23 pm
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KingB
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Lutz wrote:
Max Damage wrote:
Excellent stuff. However, there is one objection I have.

I don't believe the Spider is a robot, but rather just an autonomous AI routine, linked but able to act semi-independently to The Operator.

That is all.


Possible. Cortana (In Halo) left an autonomous subroutine to land the Pillar of Autumn on Halo.


"No. The Spider warning's been deployed. She had every warning that a classified medium was under repair. She just kept"

"in that? Only the Spider kept me alive, obviously. Ducking, hiding, grabbing onto any handhold while the purges came down, the overwrites"

Definitely not a mechanical robot in my opinion....

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:52 pm
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Shad0
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 		[SPEC] Re: SPDR as robot?
KingB wrote:
Lutz wrote:
Max Damage wrote:
I don't believe the Spider is a robot, but rather just an autonomous AI routine, linked but able to act semi-independently to The Operator.

Possible. Cortana (In Halo) left an autonomous subroutine to land the Pillar of Autumn on Halo.

"No. The Spider warning's been deployed. She had every warning that a classified medium was under repair. She just kept"

"in that? Only the Spider kept me alive, obviously. Ducking, hiding, grabbing onto any handhold while the purges came down, the overwrites"

Definitely not a mechanical robot in my opinion....

You know, while I also tend to think that SPDR is a program and not a robot, it has occurred to me that there is support in the Widow's Journey text for a contrary conclusion:

The Pious Flea? might have wrote:
The Queen was gone, and in her place lay only an empty crown. By great enchantment she had been mazed in mirrors, and lay upon a lodestone floor amongst only her reflections. Long and long the Widow stood in thought. Then she raised her bony staff and speaking a spell, beheld herself within the mirrors: and beholding herself, was within them. And there, with the crown still upon her brow, lay the Queen.

This could mean that the Spider was a physical robot-type creature, presumably quite small, that found only the magnetic media in which the Operator has become trapped -- that is, the hard drive on Aunt Margaret's computer -- and then transferred itself/its programming into the computer to work on the Operator by means of this code:

Code:
grope:
!probe master-sector
fail
!probe master-sector cmd proc
empty
!analyze magnetic
& si !extend
!spdr extend
si > magnetic
!probe master-sector cmd proc
master-sector

So it's not impossible that SPDR is something physical somewhere. That would also mean that the Operator's comments about feeling the Spider crawling on her and sticking probes into her may not be entirely metaphoric.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:41 pm
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KingB
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 		Re: [SPEC] Re: SPDR as robot?
Well this AI came from Reach and I just found this...

"surg:
!reconst master-sector
mem broken>>dmg recurse
!reconst master-sector
proc frgm>>dmg recurse"

and before that the AI was saying something about the Spider out there stitching it up. So I definitely think the Spider is nothing but program.

The AI also made a reference to going from dockbay to dockbay and having the hull of ship fixed by drones and the like. So ya gotta becareful not to confuse the two situations if ya see bits of stuff refering to something robotic.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:43 am
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MattXG
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Quote:
The Spider doesn't understand about the Assassin. Spider's just a reflex, a task and a toolset. Doesn't get the bigger picture. I'm nailed to a griddle of sand while some bitch is shooting


Doesn't that prove what the spider is?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:46 am
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KingB
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 		Re: [SPEC] Re: SPDR as robot?
Shad0 wrote:
KingB wrote:
Lutz wrote:
Max Damage wrote:
I don't believe the Spider is a robot, but rather just an autonomous AI routine, linked but able to act semi-independently to The Operator.

Possible. Cortana (In Halo) left an autonomous subroutine to land the Pillar of Autumn on Halo.

"No. The Spider warning's been deployed. She had every warning that a classified medium was under repair. She just kept"

"in that? Only the Spider kept me alive, obviously. Ducking, hiding, grabbing onto any handhold while the purges came down, the overwrites"

Definitely not a mechanical robot in my opinion....

You know, while I also tend to think that SPDR is a program and not a robot, it has occurred to me that there is support in the Widow's Journey text for a contrary conclusion:

The Pious Flea? might have wrote:
The Queen was gone, and in her place lay only an empty crown. By great enchantment she had been mazed in mirrors, and lay upon a lodestone floor amongst only her reflections. Long and long the Widow stood in thought. Then she raised her bony staff and speaking a spell, beheld herself within the mirrors: and beholding herself, was within them. And there, with the crown still upon her brow, lay the Queen.

This could mean that the Spider was a physical robot-type creature, presumably quite small, that found only the magnetic media in which the Operator has become trapped -- that is, the hard drive on Aunt Margaret's computer -- and then transferred itself/its programming into the computer to work on the Operator by means of this code:


Only problem with that is that when they start speaking in metaphor everything about it is metaphoric. And I dont' see how that code backs ur statement up any....

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:52 am
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Steffeny
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 		Re: May help, or baffle
Theory-munged wrote:
I'll make this brief.

My letters and my messages are the key. (Yeah, to an empty box)
The swords.
I am Cortana, first sword. (about as sharp as a butter knife)
Dana is the second. (Have you asked if she wants the job?)
Sin Vraal is Sin Vraal.

If you still do not get it, it is too late for you


You have not read the TOS for this SIte have you?

*PLONK*

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:12 am
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 		no big deal
a small note of interest:

melissa / closest name to 'mellifera', scientific name for honey bee.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:51 am
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Shad0
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 		Re: no big deal
guest wrote:
melissa / closest name to 'mellifera', scientific name for honey bee.

I must respectfully Trout you. First mentioned here, among other places.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:14 pm
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 		Troy/spartans
hey i am just starting to read up on this stuff so this might have been some extremely obvious thing to everyone but........is there any chance of a connection between troy and the Spartans????

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