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[META] Just Say No.
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JadedMax
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[META] Just Say No.
The magic that is Cloverfield should stand as it is. No sequels/prequels.

I may be the only one. If so, great. Makes my position that much more special.

In the midst of the post movie afterglow I can understand why most people who desire more would want their fix in another full blown movie.

I say, no. Let the brilliance of this film be. Many a film has been ruined for scratching that little itch that comes on the heels of success. The numbers are in fact still being totaled and already people are yelling sequel.

This society is so odd to me. Instant gratification is the norm. Let's make a briliant film, and the mystery of it will propel it to a successful run in a month where nothing really gets released. Now people want another installment to "solve the mysteries" that remain after the fact.

Does every single thing have to be spelled out, in neat little red ink in the margins? Do we have to basically give you a cheat sheet because the fraile nature of 21st century mentality dictates that when a movie is released you have to know EVERYTHING about it? Every detail gone over to the nth degree, scrutinized and analyzed and the marrow sucked out of every frame.

Enough already. It's not frustration, but the fact that there's nothing special or subtle or there's no flair and mystique anymore in modern entertainment. Cloverfield did a great job of it. A heartfelt love story wrapped in a brutal monster movie. A delicate balance.

Cloverfield is such a cinematic force January will no longer be the toxic waste dump for movies it has been. No longer will it be the showcase month for indie experimentations and half-assed efforts.

That is a legacy worthy of protecting. Let it stay that way. It is what it is.

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carlosos
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That would help it become a cult movie.

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The love/monster balance was not that well maintained, its not like their love seems any more powerful or heartfelt just because their is a monster there. It was kind of frail, we have no reason to care for their relationship and to want them to get together, sure sad things happened, but they did not have as big of an impact that you are making it seem. The only emotional part that had an effect on me was the very end.

It's a hollywood blockbuster, not a surreal avante garde art piece. Everything doesnt have to be spelled out, many movies these days, mostly all of them korean, manage to be ambiguous yet still feel resolved. This however posed questions that basically demand answers. However it's not like they left an ending that you can have your own solid opinion on and feel strongly about it. It left an ending where you can either say they are alive or dead, either way it doesnt mean anything. Their is no meaning their is jsut "holy shit are they alive i want more!" or "oh man that sucks i guss thats it."

And January is still the waste dump, it's just because of marketing, any movie with a solid story could do it, they just dont. Any movie cant just open in January and expect the same thing just because Cloverfield was an exception.

carlosos wrote:
That would help it become a cult movie.
ya just like the evil dead trilogy, or all the monty pythons?

this is just an example, i know gladiator didnt have a mysterious ending, but people knew to let it be, it was what it was.

I can appreciate a movie that stands on it's own that can be open to interpretation BUT has a resolve either way. This is not open to interpretation this is an unfinished story.

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Unresolved in what way, if I may ask?

I mean I had the honor of being in the studio Friday when the cast of Cloverfield were on Opie and Anthony. One of the very first questions was is/can there be a sequel? To which logically Odette said she didn't see how, since 40 minutes into it the city is half destroyed and they're being picked off one by one.

Maybe another more studio type refined version. From the military perspective, or what have you is fine.

Pack it with the DVD. I have no problems with another additional piece. Just not a full blown production.

Just as easy as someone could say the story is unresolved and they want more I could say the story sufficed in my opinion. So what, we need another hour and a half to figure out if Rob and Beth and the monster are still alive?

And my guess is they probably all are. But to go back and start this back up again does what. OK the monster is still going, and heads to Massapequa or Hoboken. Wow I've seen this before.

And then the rest of it is just our selfish need to get the answers we want. We need the movie to cater to our needs and desires to fulfill this "game" which never existed.

If there was an overwhelming sense of unfulfillment I'd want another installment. But like JJ Abrams said he wanted an American monster movie. And like Godzilla or King Kong before it once you've gotten the first ones the next ones are just leftovers.

Some movies do well as a series. Monster movies as a rule generally suck at them.

As far as the mysteries and stories contained within Cloverfield the general public, to be honest will give about as much a shit as they did the stuff that led up to the original movie. And that's why Cloverfield is a success.

This movie is a success because you don't get the president in the war room going 'We need to take this thing out" or the pretentious action hero with the bad rock soundtrack ala Bruce Willis suiting up and climbing a building and strapping a bomb on the monster killing it.

We all need to as fans of this movie stop being so goddamn selfish. And expecting this movie to cater to everything we want it to be.
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And let me confirm also. Sadly Liz wasn't there Friday. But Odette and Jess...

Stunningly beautiful.
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This movie was everything I wanted it to be. I never said it wasn't but it definitely left me wanting more.

And like I said, I don't give a shit about what happens to Beth and Rob, I would want it to be more about why or who or where from this thing came. Oh well the cities destroyed and many of the characters are dead, so logically I guess theirs no point to continue right? I mean it isn't logical to say that the city was just the setting and the fact that
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three characters fates remain unanswered and the monster is still rampant is perfect reason to make a sequel. Does this creature take over the world?
It in no way is resolved! You can't say. Their is no way to interpret anything, because their is nothing given to interpret. You are talking as though this movie had all kinds of substance, that we have to read in between the lines and look at whats underneath. Even if you try their is nothing their but solid story that needs to progress.

Noone is asking for the presidents speech about how we can fight this thing, nobody is asking for the next action hero. People are asking for an ending to a story that hasn't ended. This is a movie based solely on story, not on meaning and understanding.

Besides how can you take anything the actors say to heart, they didnt even know what the goddamn movie was about when they signed on for it.

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The only things I want to know in addition to this movie could be neatly summed up in a director's cut with JJ and matt doing commentary. I don't need another hour and a half to know about Tagruato drilling and awakening some sea creature. Which basically sums up where it came from. That's been done in every other monster movie. Some evil corporation or some mad scientist, or just shitty luck leads to a monster being let loose and chaos ensues.

Maybe it's just me, but that's just tired. And I am thankful Reeves and Abrams didn't go down that road in this movie.

And to you, you don't care about the story of Rob and Beth but that was still a major component of the film. The movie began with them, and ended with them. In fact to be honest the monster after a while was just background. The real story was these kids trying to survive the crap that was going on.

I personally don't need to know what the monster does next. Personally I believe it does still remain. A lot more weakened and eventually, finally is killed when someone figures it out. I really don't need to see that chapter to enjoy the original movie.

I'd love to know what happened to Lily. I'd love to know how much firepower finally killed the thing. I'd love to know if Manhattan itself was leveled and visually that would have been spectacular. But I don't need another hour and a half to see it.



Personally, if anyone wants a sequel, fine. Make it a comedy, of what happened when MGP made it to Harlem.
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JadedMax wrote:
Unresolved in what way, if I may ask?

I mean I had the honor of being in the studio Friday when the cast of Cloverfield were on Opie and Anthony. One of the very first questions was is/can there be a sequel? To which logically Odette said she didn't see how, since 40 minutes into it the city is half destroyed and they're being picked off one by one.


That was such a great show. Two of my fav things in one place. What more can you ask for??!!
You think lil' jimmy has a chance with Odette? Hopefully, because that means I might have a chance with Lizzy. Haha. I kid of course.

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u want lizzy too eh? hehehe

she is quite the desirable one

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I have faith the ARG will resolve the unanswered questions.

I agree that there shouldn't be a sequel. You run into the same sort of problems that the BWP ran into. A sequel would have to be in a different format(read: not a handheld 'unintentional' movie) and ultimately, it wouldn't be as interesting as a result.

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Trixx wrote:
u want lizzy too eh? hehehe

she is quite the desirable one


She certainly is. But unfortunately, I'm no Matthew Perry so its back to the ol' drawing board.

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mistermunky69 wrote:

You think lil' jimmy has a chance with Odette? Hopefully, because that means I might have a chance with Lizzy. Haha. I kid of course.


Ha. Actually it was Jess (Lily) that was kinda into Jimmy. And Odette's engaged. Which sucks.







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after reading what you have to say about no sequel. i have to agree though it pains me alittle because Cloverfield is just so so great. Doing a second will just kill the mystery and uniqueness of everything we have felt because we are being fed answers.
Cloverfield is a POV movie, and why it was done that way was to give us a surrealistic view of the monster/city/people etc. We are supposed to feel like we experienced the same thing as Hud, beth and Rob. If a sequel is out, that excitement we felt after the movie would be gone because part of that excitement was the mystery. you gotta admit that!
I really think that if they are gonna do a sequel, they should do it viral style, like update their myspaces, tagruato, tido etc. because if you come to think of it, wasn't the marketing through those websites like a prequel? they could always clear the air about those unanswered questions about the weird time and dates, if the monster is an alien, how many monsters are there through a q&a in the DVD.
That way, we don't have to sit through a flawed sequel- because frankly, we are just gonna compare it with the first and say like "ohhhh, POV is way better than boring ol' tripod cams...yadayada..man, wheres beth and lily and marlena?! shes dead?! man, i thought they were gonna magically bring her back, but oh no, they wanna show it through from the military's view."
Seriously, i am not saying anyone here has a bad opinion, but i like the mystery, i like that Cloverfield still has people all hot and bothered even after watching but sequel would be a killjoy. & i'm sure the virals are gonna continue somehow. Shocked

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Awesome pics.

Thats right, it was jess. She said jimmy was good after Tj had to follow his set one night. HAHA.

Odette's man was the one they said has a faux hawk.

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I think ultimately Cloverfield since it was born of this new style viral marketing should be allowed to fade away the same way.

There are answers that people want. And I believe it's fine to just allow them to be found the same way much was found before the movie. The DVD could serve as the jumping off point to dive into a new world of clues and interaction. But I think a sequel risks what was captured by this film.

Everything about Cloverfield has been against the Hollywood norm why bog it down with something Hollywoodish after the fact?

The creators of Cloverfield it has always been said wanted to make an experience through this footage. Like we were there. Like we witnessed an actual event.

So in my opinion it would be so much more effective to allow the one movie to stand as it is. Let it serve like a live event we all witnessed, then come back to the internet. On Unfiction, Youtube, CloverfieldClues etc, and live out what we saw and discuss.
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