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[QUESTION]The explosion
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Angstfild
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[QUESTION]The explosion
what caused it?

I am surprised that there is no talk about this. I remember once the teaser hit it was by far the biggest topic from the trailer.

Nothing is explained as to what caused this other than to speculate or assume it was the monster. My question is what in Manhattan could cause such a fireball?


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Could've been a gas truck or something along those lines. Who knows, who cares?
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maybe the tagruato oil tanker

oil is flammable...would cause a fair sized explosion

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
you saw it when they were approaching the bridge on fire
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everything the monster touches seems to explode for some reason

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The explosion was unnatural. There was really no mushrooming effect.

The fireball just grew, things flew out from it and that is all that we are left with.

Just an odd part of the movie that seems to have no place really.

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I thought the explosion looked like it was in the air almost. My first thought was the tagruato oil tanker but it isn't up high enough perspective wise (I don't think) for the explosion to be seen like that. I really cannot think of what it could be. Maybe the shot was made hastily for the trailer and then it was included due to it being such a prevalent image in the minds of many.

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I think the assumption is that the explosion was the tanker (since its on fire later, and wasnt when the newscast happened). The problem is the explosion happened at City Hall (well, the park in front of it) Meaning either MGP found something there that blew up alot when he stepped on it, or the Military was already dropping ordinance on him at that point.

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It can't have been caused by the oil tanker, when they reach the bridge you can see it's still intact (though on fire). An explosion from the inside would've ripped it to shreds, if the tanker could somehow withstand and contain an explosion like that then the fireball wouldn't have grown to the size it did.

I think this is the most likely case:

d0nu7 wrote:
Maybe the shot was made hastily for the trailer and then it was included due to it being such a prevalent image in the minds of many.


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I wondered about military action myself.

In one of the 1-18-08.com photos there is a night vision shot which shows a ton of fire power on something in the water--I choose to believe this was before the attack on NYC, and not after. Perhaps it's just a short while before the attack on the city. We know the Coast Guard was involved with the Chuai station collapse from the news accounts as well.

Perhaps the military was trying to take some last action before it got to the city and dropped a really big bomb on it?

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Plus, if I recall correctly the military is really Johnny-on-the-spot responding to the monster attack. I honestly am not sure about this, it seemed like minutes, but it's possible the video was paused during this time, or my memory is off. Even still, getting tanks and all that fire power in the city in a matter of hours is a impressive. I am going to see it again today, with my motion sickness pills, and perhaps I can enjoy it better than I did the first time.


I have no clue really, but oil doesn't just explode either. It would need some form of significant ignition source I imagine.

Then again, this sort of thing has never bothered me. Getting too pickie about such things can kill my enjoyment of a movie.


Great board btw. I can't believe I didn't know anything about the ARG until only a few hours before I saw the movie. Sad

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Roe wrote:
I wondered about military action myself.

In one of the 1-18-08.com photos there is a night vision shot which shows a ton of fire power on something in the water--I choose to believe this was before the attack on NYC, and not after. Perhaps it's just a short while before the attack on the city. We know the Coast Guard was involved with the Chuai station collapse from the news accounts as well.

Perhaps the military was trying to take some last action before it got to the city and dropped a really big bomb on it?

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Plus, if I recall correctly the military is really Johnny-on-the-spot responding to the monster attack. I honestly am not sure about this, it seemed like minutes, but it's possible the video was paused during this time, or my memory is off. Even still, getting tanks and all that fire power in the city in a matter of hours is a impressive. I am going to see it again today, with my motion sickness pills, and perhaps I can enjoy it better than I did the first time.


I have no clue really, but oil doesn't just explode either. It would need some form of significant ignition source I imagine.

Then again, this sort of thing has never bothered me. Getting too pickie about such things can kill my enjoyment of a movie.


Great board btw. I can't believe I didn't know anything about the ARG until only a few hours before I saw the movie. Sad




i completely agree, i think the night vision photo on 1-18-08.com was this explosion rob and party saw on the roof. It fits perfectly, doesn't it?? time-wise?

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This was a great question Angstfild, made me join here, hello all.


Question: "what in Manhattan could cause such a fireball?"

Answer: Nothing, nothing in Manhattan could cause a fireball like that.

So where does this leave us, it actually helps answer all the biggest questions.

The monster is not from this planet. We know that it is almost completely unaffected from all our combined conventional arms.... 120mm depleted uranium & HE shells from our M1 tanks, javelin missiles, heavy machine guns... even 500-5000lbs bombs from a B2 bomber only pissed-off the monster. The creature is a scientific impossibility unless it is replacing, healing it's micro structure from nanosecond to nanosecond. Nothing like this exists on this planet or from human science.

So, let try this...

Explosion scenario one: Some type for star ship crashes. This intergalactic zoo ship was just starting to leave after finding a few choice specimens from NY central park (a few of those CP freaks would really be a big hit as "curiosities" back on the alien home world, maybe they abducted Technoviking (curiosity in itself on any planet) and he got out & grabbed the pilot Confused ...), has some kind of problem and BOOM, crashes... strange fireball throwing chunks of "who knows what" all over the city, as one of the very nastiest creatures gets loose, one that can heal from nanosecond to nanosecond, replacing it's micro structure constantly....

But this leaves us with the tanker capsizing in the harbor, so we would have to accept the news story as just some strange coincident or maybe a part of the starship breaking off as it was trying to correct the problem, striking the tanker before the spacecraft finally fails altogether and crashes in the city...

or....

We have to accept there is TWO monsters because there was no sign of tentacles on the land monster.

The Bridge was destroyed by a huge tentacle (or tentacle looking appendage, good point out Stellacotton, thanx), fact. So the logical line of thought would be the Tanker was capsized by the same "something" we never got to fully see, that was in the Ocean. The tanker can be viewed from the bridge just before the bridge is destroyed by one hit by the Ocean creature

Which takes us to....

Explosion scenario two: Some kind of energy gate opens, massive, split second release of energy causing the huge strange fireball explosion, because it opens in our atmosphere, as our little friend comes through and the gate slams shut. Why? some type of attack or test to see how we deal with something so powerful. Maybe even a freak accident by a race of noble creatures but they were testing with the only creature capable of surviving the journey through the energy gate/portal....maybe one they even help genetically modify to make the vicious gate jump....

The first gate opens under the tanker, causing much less destruction/explosion but still easily capsized the ship (no easy feat in it self), as the first true creature with tentacles is released and the gate slams shut.

Maybe the first gate was tried in a water environment, opening and shutting minutes before the land gate opened. Two type of gates, one opening under water, the second on land, both with the same nasty creature types that can survive the violent process....

Anyway, I hoped some enjoyed a different line of thought on the "whys" and "hows".... I guess any theory fits in, that's what makes the movie so watchable.

Thanks for reading.

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I didn't know a tentacle destroying the bridge was a fact. I thought it was the tail of the monster. Tentacles are usually used in combinations of two or more for gripping. What was it doing with the other tentacles while using just one to destroy the bridge? I didnt even see tentacles on the monster. Rolling Eyes
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stellacotton wrote:
I didn't know a tentacle destroying the bridge was a fact. I thought it was the tail of the monster. Tentacles are usually used in combinations of two or more for gripping. What was it doing with the other tentacles while using just one to destroy the bridge? I didnt even see tentacles on the monster. Rolling Eyes


Well, fact as we can infer from. The other tentacles, I will try and answer that in a sec.... but if we assume the Tentacle was really the Land monsters Tail, doesn't fit that well.

If it was the land monster's tail that stuck the bridge, where was the rest of the creature? The main monster is taller then the Skyscrapers, hundreds of feet tall.

The NY harbor average depth is only 35 feet. (natural depth only being 15-18 feet) They just finished dredging the channel to 45 feet. (http://www.nan.usace.army.mil/harbor/deep.htm).

If it was the land monster's tail, it would be like a elephant in a puddle, sticking it's ass in the air, while it swung it's tail around.
I think everyone would have drop dead from laughter before they collapsed with the bridge.

Plus, No one started pointing or looking (yes, people on the lower bridge reacted first, good point 6slushos, but something quickly seen in the ocean as they were naturally looking at the capsized Tanker? The people on the upper deck would have had the best view if the Skyscraper sized monster was anywhere near or coming toward the bridge), most people, including our heroes, never even knew what hit the bridge, only a few seem to have even seen the tentacle strike.

So, the second, tentacle wielding monster, must have been "squid" like, in this way, it could hide most of it body in the deeper channel, reaching out of the Ocean with it's longer massive tentacles (this scenario works well because it could stabilize its self against the sides of the channel with it's other tentacles, brought into question), much like Real squids, who's tentacles are much larger then its body, but we can imagine the added weird & strange alien structure...

Just another thought, I respect your view and just trying to think on the scenario that helps to fit. Smile

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i was thinking about what you said about the tentacle and the tail.
and i really think its a tail. because this monster could be both a land and water creature.
the thing we see on the bridge is the tail, as for the body?
it could be in the sea. why not? we can diminish that possibility because the people on the lower bridge saw it first then started running.

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When the monster is on all fours he's really not that tall. Just a guess but no more than 5-7 stories tall. It's hard to say but he's definitely low to the ground and stealthy.
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