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[SPOILER] Camcorder confusion
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Kaji
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Lambo_Diablo_Svtt wrote:
Yea, about the battery life, he only filmed like... about 74 minutes, with the flashlight on for about... 1-2 mins?

That seems reasonable for a new battery.


Wrong.

7-8 hours.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:54 am
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ximfinity
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im pretty sure it was just recording for the length of the movie as it was uneddited, he probably turned it off from time to time or it ht the ground and errored or whatever other device you would like to use. regardless of all of these, i think its just not rational to scrutinize over whether a camera could record for this long when you have already accepted a giant monster as being plausible...

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Random_kid
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ok ok so i get the debate
SD or TAPE?!?!?! 7 HOURS or 1 HOUR AND 24 MINUTES?!?!?

but uhhhhh
why does this matter?
isnt it kind of fruitless?
... as in there is no point in this
because you know its a movie
and movie can do this kind of shit

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Angstfild
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The point is that you cannot partially record over something that is digitally recorded like you can a tape. If you have seen the movie then you understand the problem.

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xboyonfirex
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yeah, the full 7 hours wasn't recorded, and if it WAS edited- wouldn't they have discarded anything that had nothing to do w/ the event?

Perhaps, it was both tape and SD. I like that route anyways... above all- it's FICTION. So you name it and it was just that. Obviously, J.J. wants us to fill in a lot of the information- so, I'm seeing this as a handycam that was both SD and tape accessible. end of story for me.

And just a thought- Discuss this all you guys want and build up as much of a conclusion as you guys would like, but don't tell anyone that they're wrong for their thoughts on how certain unanswered issues worked out because you'd simply be playing a "pot/kettle" scenario and nothing more.

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6slushos
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it makes it seems that yes, it was recorded for 7 hours. because rob was like "7 hours ago..some thing attacked the city". and hud has been taping since then. you as the viewer cant say its 74 minutes because we cant be sitting in the cinema for 7 hours to get a blow by blow. so you'd think its 74 minutes only. but no, its 7 hours of taping in actual cloverfield reality and edited to 74 minutes of important reel by CIA.

the other thing that really really bothers me- SDs can't like rewind back that way to older videos right? it isn't tape. Question

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Random_kid
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Angstfild wrote:
The point is that you cannot partially record over something that is digitally recorded like you can a tape. If you have seen the movie then you understand the problem.


ive seen the movie 3 fucking times!
there is no problem! you know why?!?!?!
because its a movie, movies can do that!
this thread has no point
you can argue all you want but you will never know...
because its not real, it didnt really happen, its called fiction

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Angstfild
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Random_kid wrote:
Angstfild wrote:
The point is that you cannot partially record over something that is digitally recorded like you can a tape. If you have seen the movie then you understand the problem.


ive seen the movie 3 fucking times!
there is no problem! you know why?!?!?!
because its a movie, movies can do that!
this thread has no point
you can argue all you want but you will never know...
because its not real, it didnt really happen, its called fiction


If you feel the thread has no point then stop reading it and posting in it.

IF you are an educated or schooled individual then you surely know that a good story makes sense. Things add up that are supposed to and pieces fit much like a puzzle. Any good writer will tell you that discrepancies in your story make it hard for a reader to follow.

Meaning that you do not want to confuse or confound your audience. As a writer you want them to feel immersed or at the very least have some kind of emotional connection with what is happening. All good fiction is like this.

So yeah, we know its fiction, we know its a movie. What is your point other than trying to look and sound ignorant? IF that was your goal then you are successful now move along.

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hawkeye41
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6slushos wrote:
it makes it seems that yes, it was recorded for 7 hours. because rob was like "7 hours ago..some thing attacked the city".


Just because someone says "7 hours ago some thing attacked the city" doesn't mean that they had to record it the entire time.

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Little Albatross
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6slushos wrote:
you as the viewer cant say its 74 minutes because we cant be sitting in the cinema for 7 hours to get a blow by blow. so you'd think its 74 minutes only. but no, its 7 hours of taping in actual cloverfield reality and edited to 74 minutes of important reel by CIA.


But then, even that opens up questions. Why would the CIA find the 15-20 minutes of the going away party or the events from a month ago "important"? Granted, it's there for the viewer to make an emotional connection with the characters, but I doubt they'd keep it as an official record of the event or whatever.

Hooray for suspension of disbelief!

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Roe
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It's probably one of those things where the movie was designed and written to be about a tape.

Panasonic then outbid everyone else for the rights for advertising, and hence the conflict.

It is a business world after all, and everything about this movie is to make money. Even all the viral stuff.


By the way, does the Panasonic camera at issue have night vision? That's pretty cool.

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Roe
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OK, if it is the Panasonic HDC-SD1, it doesn't come with night vision.

Hence, obvious conflict, it's not the same camera.

(there is a Panasonic-SDR-H18 which has night vision, and it has a tape! Though this is starting to get a bit carried away)

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Anony
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I kinda assumed that the flashback footage wasn't as much the camera screwing up as HUD not being able to use the camera, thus maybe fast forwarding a little leaving space for the old footage to show.

SO the question is: If I recorded something on an SD card, rewound it, and recorded something else over but left space between the first as second take but not going beyond the time of the original recording; would it show the older footage between first and second take?

Just an idea, I don't have an SD card based camera so I don't know, and can't test it.

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Euchre
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xboyonfirex wrote:
yeah, the full 7 hours wasn't recorded, and if it WAS edited- wouldn't they have discarded anything that had nothing to do w/ the event?

Exactly. The film is a presentation of the whole raw footage, not edited. If they were doing an edit they'd probably also bother with doing slow motions and stills and enhancements. We don't see any of that.
hawkeye41 wrote:
Just because someone says "7 hours ago some thing attacked the city" doesn't mean that they had to record it the entire time.

I concur. He's making a reference to the time based on looking at his watch. If the video was 7 hours long, the person viewing it wouldn't have to be told there was a gap of that length, they'd see it for themselves in the duration of the footage.
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samuron
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Roe wrote:
OK, if it is the Panasonic HDC-SD1, it doesn't come with night vision.

Hence, obvious conflict, it's not the same camera.

(there is a Panasonic-SDR-H18 which has night vision, and it has a tape! Though this is starting to get a bit carried away)

Ya beat me to it; it took me forever to find the manual online.

Neither the HDC-SD1 or the HDC-SD5, which is the one "Rob" is holding in the production photo, have night vision; they use Panasonic's "MagicPix" which doesn't work the same way, and wouldn't give that familiar greenish image.

I think the reference to the SD Card on the opening slides of the film are just the identifying media that the record is now on; just like a library catalog listing something as being on microfiche.

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