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[SPOILER][SPEC] Things to consider
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tanman wrote:
I know this is a bit off topic, but did anyone else notice the absence of children in the film? I know it is filmed from the company of 25-30 year olds, but still. I didn't even see any in the background at any point.


Yeah, I noticed that too. I thought that maybe it was just a neighbourhood that doesn't have many children in it.

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 		Re: [SPOILER][SPEC] Things to consider
Dates, MGP, Characters...
Angstfild wrote:
Why try to drag Hud away and then attack Marlena? Were they sentient? I think so. I think they have an agenda.

Why 'just' attack Marlena? Because she came back and was beating the piss out of one of them that was trying to take Hud away. Agenda? Yeah - stop Marlena from beating up on their 'peeps' and let them take their dinner home.
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Cloverfield. Think about that. That is plural. Referring to a field of clovers. I am just speculating but I would not be surprised if there is more than one monster.

Cloverfield is not the name of the monster its the name the fans gave the movies they were eventually gonna call it Greyshot or something like that. But they kept it as cloverfield because everyone was already calling it that and they didn't want to cause any confusion.

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Cloverfield. Think about that. That is plural. Referring to a field of clovers. I am just speculating but I would not be surprised if there is more than one monster.

Cloverfield is not the name of the monster its the name the fans gave the movie they were eventually gonna call it Greyshot or something like that. But they kept it as cloverfield because everyone was already calling it that and they didn't want to cause any confusion. here is the aritcle.
FACT FOUR: They Never Meant to Call It That
To keep the movie a secret, the project was given the codename "Cloverfield," after a street near Abrams' office. The filmmakers had planned to release the movie as Greyshot, the name of a key Central Park location. But the temporary title spread through the internet so quickly that crew decided to keep it.

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Dark Kitsune wrote:
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Cloverfield. Think about that. That is plural. Referring to a field of clovers. I am just speculating but I would not be surprised if there is more than one monster.

Cloverfield is not the name of the monster its the name the fans gave the movie they were eventually gonna call it Greyshot or something like that. But they kept it as cloverfield because everyone was already calling it that and they didn't want to cause any confusion. here is the aritcle.
FACT FOUR: They Never Meant to Call It That
To keep the movie a secret, the project was given the codename "Cloverfield," after a street near Abrams' office. The filmmakers had planned to release the movie as Greyshot, the name of a key Central Park location. But the temporary title spread through the internet so quickly that crew decided to keep it.


First of all, Angstfild wasnt talking about the name of the movie, he
was talking about the name of the monster. Theres a difference between "Clover" and "Cloverfield." Here is the production note where we learn what the studio has been calling the monster:

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The concept for the monster (affectionately known simply as "Clover" in-house) is simple, says Abrams.


Also, to Angstfild: Thats an interesting thing you noticed about "field of clovers" referring to more than one "clover", even though I, personally, strongly disagree with the multiple monsters theory, and its very clear that the name Cloverfield was accidental/not intended. Even so, its still interesting that you noticed that.

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 		Even though the name wasnt intentional, they can still tie it in somewhere

Did anyone else notice that the camcorder started recording at 6:42 A.M. with Beth and the guy (forgot his name), and it ended at the same time and the same people, meaning 6:42 A.M. Beth and whats his face, kinda ironic

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A few things to consider:

1) The date of the events seems to point to 1-18-08. Reason I believe this is because of yesterdays updates on myspace and Jaimes recent video. Both of which pointed to a party that happened last night (1-18-0 or was taking place at that time.

The April to May dates could and most likely are a continuity thing that could have been missed in post production. Those dates are just so far out of place with everything we have learned about this movie so far.

2) Multiple MGPs is a distinct possibility. I believe that the parasites are or do cause some sort of infectious mutation of the individual that comes into contact with them. Why try to drag Hud away and then attack Marlena? Were they sentient? I think so. I think they have an agenda.

MGP did seem to be everywhere at once. There was no rhyme or reason for the locations he/she was at. Always seemed to be near our hero and his group.

Lastly, if the camera survived then it is quite possible (unlikely) that Rob and Beth lived. If it was protected by debris then they could have been as well. Hell, they survived a helicopter crash, parasites, impaling by rebar, etc.


As for your first point: I read somewhere that the director stated the the online teaser website and related things (slusho, TIDO,etc.) have nothing to do with the plot of the movie, the people who designed the websites sites and maintained the whole experience(I wouldn't call this an ARG) had little oversite by the writing and production team, so continuity problems would exist.

About the monster and multiple ones:
Obviously you have to suspend some reality in any movie, it would be quite a boring movie if the monster appeared once and they were on the over side of manhattan the rest of the time, we have to stop looking at this movie as though it was the kennedy assination tapes, there will be some problems in reality, surving a helicopter drop, timeline problems, the mysterious explosion, etc. because the first prioty of the movie crew and studio was to create an entertaining movie not a documentary of a monster attack .

As for beth and rob surviving:
Personnally I believe this(or want to atleast!)
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The infamous Help us/ It's alive message after the credits
leads to believe that they somehow survived atleast for a little bit after the attack,

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Whitenoise wrote:
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A few things to consider:

1) The date of the events seems to point to 1-18-08. Reason I believe this is because of yesterdays updates on myspace and Jaimes recent video. Both of which pointed to a party that happened last night (1-18-0 or was taking place at that time.

The April to May dates could and most likely are a continuity thing that could have been missed in post production. Those dates are just so far out of place with everything we have learned about this movie so far.

2) Multiple MGPs is a distinct possibility. I believe that the parasites are or do cause some sort of infectious mutation of the individual that comes into contact with them. Why try to drag Hud away and then attack Marlena? Were they sentient? I think so. I think they have an agenda.

MGP did seem to be everywhere at once. There was no rhyme or reason for the locations he/she was at. Always seemed to be near our hero and his group.

Lastly, if the camera survived then it is quite possible (unlikely) that Rob and Beth lived. If it was protected by debris then they could have been as well. Hell, they survived a helicopter crash, parasites, impaling by rebar, etc.


As for your first point: I read somewhere that the director stated the the online teaser website and related things (slusho, TIDO,etc.) have nothing to do with the plot of the movie, the people who designed the websites sites and maintained the whole experience(I wouldn't call this an ARG) had little oversite by the writing and production team, so continuity problems would exist.

About the monster and multiple ones:
Obviously you have to suspend some reality in any movie, it would be quite a boring movie if the monster appeared once and they were on the over side of manhattan the rest of the time, we have to stop looking at this movie as though it was the kennedy assination tapes, there will be some problems in reality, surving a helicopter drop, timeline problems, the mysterious explosion, etc. because the first prioty of the movie crew and studio was to create an entertaining movie not a documentary of a monster attack .

As for beth and rob surviving:
Personnally I believe this(or want to atleast!)
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The infamous Help us/ It's alive message after the credits
leads to believe that they somehow survived atleast for a little bit after the attack,


What would be the point in having an ARG/ARE if they were not intertwined ? It is obvious that most of what is online is related or tied into the movie. I would love to see a link with Abrams or Reeves stating this. Very Happy

I understand the concept of suspension of reality and that is what makes playing this ARG fun. One has to think and question things as if they really occured.

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 		There is obviously only one MGP in the movie.As for the time discrepancies,just live with it.It will be explained.No one know's the deal,and no one will untill J.J. or Reeves or someone else involved with the movie fully explain it.As for the little "critters",they weren't singlin out anyone.Obviously they are carnivores.The see prey,they attack,prey fights back,another "critter" comes to aid the fallen "critter".Simple as that.
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MulletMan wrote:
The dates are correct in the movie as Rob clearly says:

"My name is Robert Hawkins. It is 6:42 AM on May 23rd... Approximately 7 hours ago some thing attacked the city"

The monster attack in the ARG is at 12:30ish AM on January 18th, which doesn't sync up with the myspaces and jamie and teddy video saying that it was the night of January 18th. In the movie the monster attacked a little before midnight on May 22nd.


Hmm… I was quite sure that the monster didn't attack until after midnight. I was watching the clock in the kitchen scenes (where Hud and Jason ask Lily about Rob and Beth) and I was positive it was clearly after midnight.

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 		First post so, hi!

Yay someone is going to bring up the times which is where I'm having some problems. Here are the dates and times from the flick (I wrote down the times but forgot to make notes about what was happening so I'm going from memory, forgive a flub):

Opening scene May 22 6:42am (old footage)

May 22 6:43pm (new footage)

April 27 11:14am (old)

May 22 6:45pm (new) Turned off in stairwell rior to entering party

May 22 6:48pm (new) Turned on again once in the party

May 22 6:48pm (new) Cam given to Hud (I think)

May 22 7:20pm (new) A point here - the time seems to stick for a minute or two -- it doesn't count up in time with the movie)

May 22 7:23pm (new)

April 27 11:23am (old)

After this I pulled the times from the clock in the kitchen during Beth's video goodbye as well as the confrontation with Lily about Beth and Rob:

11:37pm (Beth's video goodbye, new -- May 22 presumably)

12:12am (Confrontation with Lily - May 23 presumably)

12:17am - Right about the time the building shakes and he films the TV

April 27 11:33am (old, I think this flashed back right after the building shakes and Hud starts running upstairs)

April 27 11:55am (old, After Hud rewinds the tape in the street

May 23 6:42am - new, spoken by Rob under the bridge

April 27 6:17pm - Coney Island footage

Edited for a left out time.

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There was just one monster. They didn't use plural significance in the movie nor did they use it outside of the movie [interviews, production notes]

Did anyone actually read the production notes. They called the 'monster' clover. There wasn't a nick name for another monster. It may seem like there was more than one because of all the times the camera was turned off and on, makes the monster seem like it's in two places at once, and it gets our directional skills all messed up. Plus, consider the different angles we're viewing the monster. One's from up high, one's from below... it gives the monster different features, but really- it's the same monster, just a different way of looking at it. Also, remember this monster can both walk on all-fours and on just its hind legs, so that's another reason why it looks different. Also, people might say that the monster looked smaller in the scene where Hud gets chewed up and spit out... but what other land mark do we have to compare it to? That's how you tell the size of something right? You compare it to some sort of landmark/feature.... but all you saw in the background was sky



In this movie, I believe we saw just the one monster. However, in an interview with Reeves, he states that the monster is a baby going thru separation anxiety. Therefore there is another one, presumeably larger and meaner somewhere, whether out in the ocean or attacking another city looking for BGP (baby grumpy pants). So while I firmly believe we only saw the young one in Cloverfield, I totally believe that there is at least one other, maybe more tearing up civilization.

Regarding a sequal being made. Bring it on. If this one does as well as it is looking like, there will be another one.

Regarding Rob and Beth surviving? Sure, it's Hollywood! I assume they die but that has never stopped Hollywood from bringing someone back from the "presumed dead". And i would like to see them in a sequal. I really wanted to see Marlena and Hud again but that would be a pretty big stretch bringing them back. lol.

Great movie though. Cant wait to see it again. Cant wait for DVD. Hope it's full of extras.

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Nikki wrote:
12:12am (Confrontation with Lily - May 23 presumably)

12:17am - Right about the time the building shakes and he films the TV


The monster's presence was even later than that, I thought. When Hud and Jason confront Lily in the kitchen, the clock is around 12:15. When she finally tells them, the time is around 12:25.

My thoughts were that the monster didn't attack until around 12:30-12:40 AM.

Rob saying "approximately 7 hours ago" is just that. It's not meant to be taken literally.

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 		One thing that I think y'all are making way too big a deal of with this film is with regards to the dates, the January 18th / April & May stuff. You guys have to realize that a lot more people are going to see this film that have no clue about the viral marketing campaign / websites / Myspace profiles / etc. than have actually paid attention and followed all that stuff. Personally, I had heard some rumblings about this film last summer, but I never took the time to research it or anything. I finally gave into all the hype and took time this weekend to do thorough research on the film and the background surrounding it (and I must say, this forum had a good amount of information) and I ended up going to see it last night. I just think y'all should remember that this movie stands alone as a film just fine for those who just take it as that; all this online stuff and clues and whatnot is just an extra way to tell more of the story to those who really get into it.

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