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[Spoilers] Military Oddities
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jamman1
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[Spoilers] Military Oddities
Was the military portrayed accurately?

One thing that bothered me a lot was that the military didn't try to confiscate Hud's camera when they stumbled into the explodatorium/makeshift hospital. I know that the army guys had other things on their minds (not to mention on their walls and ceiling), but it seems to me that at least someone in higher authority (like the one who told Hud to get the camera out of his face – he looked like he was in charge of something) would tell someone to grab it. After all, from the way that some of the previews blurred that one soldier's face, we can tell that they are at least a little bit concerned about confidentiality.

Another thing that bothered me was the whole evacuation thing. There were only a few choppers? You're telling me out of the entire population of NY who might have been left behind, that there wouldn't still be long lines of people trying to hop on a chopper? I'm talking about other people who might be trying to do what Rob's group was, or people who were trapped, or hiding, but got free at the last second? It just seemed weird, almost like it was a special escort set up just for Rob and his friends.

I don't really know much about military matters, so tell me what you guys think. I did love the movie, but I also love to bitch, so there you go.

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I agree man. I thought about that when I saw the movie.

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Another thing that bothered me was the whole evacuation thing. There were only a few choppers? You're telling me out of the entire population of NY who might have been left behind, that there wouldn't still be long lines of people trying to hop on a chopper? I'm talking about other people who might be trying to do what Rob's group was, or people who were trapped, or hiding, but got free at the last second? It just seemed weird, almost like it was a special escort set up just for Rob and his friends.


Well that, the evacuation had been taking place for quite a while before the copter scene. Remember that by the time they reach the copters, 6 hours have passed since the initial attack. A lot of people could've been evacuated during those hours.
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I looked to me that there was no one around. Like it might of been just for the military. Considering how big the city is it looked damn desolate. Poeple were either dead, running away, were already evacuated, or sitting curled up in a ball shitting their pants. I didnt see any other civilian get on those choppers.
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I think that the last concern of the Military is to confiscate a camera from a civilian. He has no reason to. Hud never said that he had shots of the monster on there nor shots of the little monsters either. I don't think the triage area they had setup was a top-secret or even somewhat secret installation, therefore no real reason to confiscate the camera.

As far as the helicopters go, one could presume that the lines died down by 6am seeing as how they stated the last helicopter would take off at 6am. I would make the assumption that they were running from that location all night, or even maybe they had to move locations due to the monsters presence, and nobody knew they were there at the time.

Who knows.

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well for the evacuation, most of the island had already been evacuated when they found the hospital, they had sent the civies out over the various bridges early on the movie, the gang just decided not to go and stayed behind.

as for Huds camera, I can't think of a reason why, the whole blurred soldiers face was nothing, it just looked like it, in the movie it was clear.
besides they have their hands full as it is, I doubt they'd really care all that much.

the choppers were more for the military troops that were still there and couldn't make it out another way, so it makes sense their weren't too many.

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lazarusHART wrote:

Well that, the evacuation had been taking place for quite a while before the copter scene. Remember that by the time they reach the copters, 6 hours have passed since the initial attack. A lot of people could've been evacuated during those hours.


Good point. I just thought it was funny to see the millitary potrayed as such a helpful organization. Almost like the neigbor who always shovels the driveway of the old people next door, or climbs trees to rescue cats - except that guy has an arsenal and a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

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jdev wrote:
I think that the last concern of the Military is to confiscate a camera from a civilian. He has no reason to. Hud never said that he had shots of the monster on there nor shots of the little monsters either. I don't think the triage area they had setup was a top-secret or even somewhat secret installation, therefore no real reason to confiscate the camera.


Good point, plus it did seem kind of unstructured and hectic.

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or even maybe they had to move locations due to the monsters presence, and nobody knew they were there at the time.Who knows.


Another good point. I never even thought of that.

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jamman1 wrote:
Good point. I just thought it was funny to see the millitary potrayed as such a helpful organization.


Yeah, but this is happening on US soil, not in another country...Not to offend or anything... Laughing Laughing


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Almost like the neigbor who always shovels the driveway of the old people next door, or climbs trees to rescue cats - except that guy has an arsenal and a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.


Yeah, almost like "Rambo: Neighborhood Watch"

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lazarusHART wrote:


Yeah, but this is happening on US soil, not in another country...Not to offend or anything... Laughing Laughing


Ha! No kidding, that's about the long and the short of it.

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Now that jamman1 brought up inconsistencies, I thought of one.


The hazmat people that took Marlena, they may have taken her because they thought the effects of the bite were contagious. If so, when they saw Rob, Lily & Hud with her, why didn't they take them too as a precaution, just in case.
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lazarusHART wrote:
Now that jamman1 brought up inconsistencies, I thought of one.


The hazmat people that took Marlena, they may have taken her because they thought the effects of the bite were contagious. If so, when they saw Rob, Lily & Hud with her, why didn't they take them too as a precaution, just in case.


It's pretty obvious who's been bitten and who hasn't... since they didn't have gaping wounds and weren't bleeding from every orifice, the military probably figured they were okay.

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The first part is they really didn't care. Why would they? The Colonel in charge is trying to give order and get people who should be leaving to go and probably doesnt have time for an interview (he wouldn't know if they were press). But being that this is not a top secret operation why take the camera?

As for the choppers? Maybe most had already made it out of the city. Maybe that wasn't the only evac point. Its not like all the army's forces are right there. Just a couple tanks/artillery, jeeps and the hospital. Seems just like an outpost, one of several maybe they set up (not alot of civilians tyhere either). Keep in mind the character in charge there is listed only as a lieutenant colonel. Going by wikipedia it means at best he is in charge of 1000 troops (but maybe less) which isn't a whole lot relatively speaking (a division runs about 10,500 troops and usually has a general in charge which is 2 steps away from the Lt Col). Maybe 1000 troops is all they could get going in such a short amount of time, though most likely the lack of people had to do with the budget of the movie. its also possible they knew not everyone was going to get out and it was more important to kill the creature there before it got away.

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lazarusHART wrote:
Now that jamman1 brought up inconsistencies, I thought of one.


The hazmat people that took Marlena, they may have taken her because they thought the effects of the bite were contagious. If so, when they saw Rob, Lily & Hud with her, why didn't they take them too as a precaution, just in case.


Yeah! What's up with that? Maybe they didn't have any staff or room to spare, or maybe that really just prefered that people do their exploding outside.

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I think they didn't because they didn't seem bitten, and I think they take them into that area to prevent blood from splattering everywhere more than anything.
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lazarusHART wrote:
Now that jamman1 brought up inconsistencies, I thought of one.


The hazmat people that took Marlena, they may have taken her because they thought the effects of the bite were contagious. If so, when they saw Rob, Lily & Hud with her, why didn't they take them too as a precaution, just in case.


It made sense once I thought about it. Grabbing Marlena was less about contagion and more about sanitation. The last thing you want in a triage center is someone spewing blood and guts all over the place. So, they isolated her as quickly as they could. Same with the hazmat suits. When she popped, it probably aersolized some of her body fluids. You don't want to breath that in. Even if she wasn't contagious with something from the parasites, there are other blood-borne diseases to worry about.

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