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[SPEC][SPOILERS] Baby MGP/Wide Eyes/Mother and Child
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Ryomi
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Ganu=MGP makes sense. The most sense that i've felt in awhile. Listing reasons....

1: Ganu is a destructive force to the earth as MGP is a destructive force to the people of NY

2: Ganu goes to NY the same time that the monster does (i know i know about the timeline being skewd but whatever)

3: Ganu lost his mom and obviously from the movie crew interviews, so did MGP.

4: Ganu used to be a deep sea scientist and the monster is from the deep sea (i will fight anyone who says its an alien that drops at the end of the movie... i mean really, it dropped in the ocean that close to the shore and waited over a month to attack? Makes no sense)

5: Ganu has TIDOwave attacking him and MGP has america (which is full of activists) attacking him

6: MGP has parasites that fall off of his back to attack those who are attacking him. Ganu has ninjas.

I think we have found the slusho tie in

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SomethingTerrible-AlsoTer
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I always knew the damn ninjas were a part of this. At first your post seemed like a big incoherent rambling but ya got me hooked at ninja.

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Whitenoise
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Ryomi wrote:
Ganu=MGP makes sense. The most sense that i've felt in awhile. Listing reasons....

3: Ganu lost his mom and obviously from the movie crew interviews, so did MGP.

4: Ganu used to be a deep sea scientist and the monster is from the deep sea



3: where did any one say that the monster lost its mom

4: I dont think its ever clearly stated where the monster came from(I woulnd't use any of the viral campaign for fact as the timeline has already been scewed, meaning that reeves abrams and company probably had little input into it), could of popped out the of ground for all we known

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Whitenoise wrote:
Ryomi wrote:
Ganu=MGP makes sense. The most sense that i've felt in awhile. Listing reasons....

3: Ganu lost his mom and obviously from the movie crew interviews, so did MGP.

4: Ganu used to be a deep sea scientist and the monster is from the deep sea



3: where did any one say that the monster lost its mom

4: I dont think its ever clearly stated where the monster came from(I woulnd't use any of the viral campaign for fact as the timeline has already been scewed, meaning that reeves abrams and company probably had little input into it), could of popped out the of ground for all we known


Here is where Matt Reeves said "it lost it's mom."

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The key to it is that the monster was a baby. The monster was suffering from separation anxiety and was absolutely disoriented and pissed, "where's mommy?", and terrified. That was the most important aspect of the creature. Not only was he furious and in a rage but he was scared, because to me there's nothing scarier than something huge that's spooked.


Interview found here:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=41100

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Whitenoise
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I take that more as him explaining that the monster is scared and how they incorporated that fear into its design, as he goes on to use the elephant and horse example. good interveiw though im looking forward to the invisable woman.

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Zaggs wrote:
Just me being me, how the hell does this thing have eyes? If its from the bottom of the ocean it wouldn't have eyes because there is no light.


He seems to be able to walk on land as well as swim, so why not?

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Ryomi
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all this speculation is making me feel that there are two possibilities of what happened to MGP's mother... either MGP's is an extradimensional creature that was brought here by some experiment by Tagruato and was taken from his mother (is the gate still open?) or mommy died and MGP's got lost in NY and that explains his behavior (it seemed to me in the movie that he was searching because he could've easily escaped into the water)

white noise wrote:


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4: I dont think its ever clearly stated where the monster came from(I woulnd't use any of the viral campaign for fact as the timeline has already been scewed, meaning that reeves abrams and company probably had little input into it), could of popped out the of ground for all we known


I believe it was Abrams that stated that its been underwater for thousands of years

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The fact that MGP can walk on land is pretty major, if they're trying to make this at all plausible - in a sci-fi sort of way of course, but still 'plausible.' I can't imagine how a creature that lives in (and presumably evolved in) the deep, deep oceans could possibly walk on land. Then again, anything that big on land is something of a biophysical impossibility (See http://www.apeculture.com/movies/godzilla.htm - a great article).

Aaanyway, from the Manga, we get the clear idea that MGP has just woken up from some dormant state, and JJ said it was down there for 1,000's of years. (good point, Ryomi - do you remember when/where he said that?). So, MGP's "natural" habitat wasn't/isn't the deep ocean, i.e., MGP can survive in the deep ocean, but evolved to live on land. Could be amphibious, I suppose.

In that Reeves interview, he said that MGP's design was really detailed - w/features that weren't even seen/used in the movie. So, I'd guess they were at least thinking about plausibility, on some level. Given that it can walk, and it's so damn huge, and it can apparently think at some level (manga), and it was buried under the ocean floor for thousands of years, and it's incredibly tough (all that damage it took, or didn't take, from the military)... I think it's either got to be an alien of some kind, or something supernatural, i.e., Cthulhu...ish. Sorry, sorry! I didn't mean to say "Cthulhu"... I meant, um.. something.. like that? Confused

How this spec. ties in with the "Where's Mommy?" issue, I don't know. But, I agree with those who have taken literally Reeve's statement about MGP being a "baby" - I think there's no other way to read that. MGP is scared and pissed and disoriented and it wants its Mommy! And, the theme of Mother & child has been running throughout this whole thing, as was pointed out before (or on another thread, can't remember). Btw, to add to that - TIDOwave constantly referring to the Earth as "Mother." I don't think that was mentioned.

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Whitenoise
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Melampus wrote:
http://www.apeculture.com/movies/godzilla.htm - a great article).


Agreed.Smile


I wouldnt look to much into TIDO refering to the earth as mother as this is a common word associate with the earth.

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Claude
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I kind of agree with Zaggs. Why have eyes if you live in darkness? Or is it blind, like some cave-dwelling fish? Actually, blindness would account for the monster's flailing around in Manhattan!

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Maybe it's like a cicada (my pet theory), and it spends an extended period underground right after birth. In the case of the cicada, it can be up to 17 years (which is a freaking long time for an insect to live), so it could be something like that, just on a much grander scale.

The cicada, if it were smarter, might be curious about where its parents went. It wouldn't even know that 17 years had passed (no cicada calendars).

Edit: also, just like the cicada has features that are meant to allow it to function on the surface (because it only sleeps underneath), that handily takes care of the question of why MGP has features of land creatures.

Edit: No, I don't think MGP is a giant insect. For some reason I think people don't understand that I'm talking in a comparative sense.

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even though it was probably its tail... me and my friends have been discussing the tenacle that hits the brooklyn bridge... maybe the monster has the ability to rapidly adapt to its environment? allowing it to develop eyes, feet, lungs, and possibly absorb the heat and the impact of the bombs droped on it.

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Whitenoise wrote:
even though it was probably its tail... me and my friends have been discussing the tenacle that hits the brooklyn bridge... maybe the monster has the ability to rapidly adapt to its environment? allowing it to develop eyes, feet, lungs, and possibly absorb the heat and the impact of the bombs droped on it.


and that's another argument against an argument...

If it's supposed to be blind from dwelling in the depths for so long, why have lungs?

And, how can we NOT see earth as it's mother? I mean, anyone remember the post-production notes?

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As part of a "post-birth ritual," as Abrams describes it, the monster is seen early on scratching his back on a building (destroying it in the process), to remove a layer of parasites that are set loose to wreak their own havoc on the city.


So if this is 'post birth' then is the mother monster dead? Or did it just erupt from our 'mother earth?'

One of my old specs on the SBN:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_sea

The Primordial Sea, or primordial soup, is basically the concentrated bacteria of life... I mean, horomones, euphorias, etc... Concentrated versions of all this can do wonders for a person's mood/immunity and so on.

This creature, monster could have been living and dwelling in this primordial sea, mutating and transforming into the creature it is today, simply by the excelleration of DNA. It could have been a prehistoric whale, it could have been a prehistoric squid, or... since this primordial sea has all the linkings of creation... it could be all of the above, all wrapped up into one, through ages of evolution, taking in only the dominate traits of every animal [mammal, reptilian, bird, fish, amphibious, bacteria, virus, etc.] and leaving out any of the weaknesses.
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the thing i don't get is that if the monster is a baby then the mother must be like 10 time bigger right. So if this monster was living at the bottom of the sea how in hell could it survive with barely anything to eat down there. I think the monster was found on another planet brought to earth to study/harvest for slusho and it is kept in the ocean because that is most like its planets climate. If it does turn out to be a creature from the bottom of the ocean that is stupid because first off the creature doesn't look well suited for the ocean, and is too big to be able to survive off the little food down there. So its either from space or its gears of war style and from the center of the earth.

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LewDog wrote:
the thing i don't get is that if the monster is a baby then the mother must be like 10 time bigger right. So if this monster was living at the bottom of the sea how in hell could it survive with barely anything to eat down there. I think the monster was found on another planet brought to earth to study/harvest for slusho and it is kept in the ocean because that is most like its planets climate. If it does turn out to be a creature from the bottom of the ocean that is stupid because first off the creature doesn't look well suited for the ocean, and is too big to be able to survive off the little food down there. So its either from space or its gears of war style and from the center of the earth.


There's a whole list of theories and reasons in the responses above this one.

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