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[SPEC/TRIVIA] Capt. Melissa Greene = Ship Operator AI?
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Veraxus
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[SPEC/TRIVIA] Capt. Melissa Greene = Ship Operator AI?

Here's the scenario I'm currently investigating, as verified by a friend who has read the books several times. As soon as I get a hold of the ebooks (Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike), I'll do a search a post the actual applicable text snippets:
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Validity rating: 1, 2, 3, or 4 - the higher the number the better the validity

2 - Captain Melissa Greene is apparently in the books, a very minor role. She is not yet a captain but is serving on some kind of Intelligence Gathering ship. If she were promoted to Captain, it's quite likely they would have made an AI based on her brain.

4 - The Slip Drives, a covenent faster than light technology, was investigated by the humans. Cortana believed that they were capable of many uses far beyond what either the Humans or Covenant knew.

4 - Cortana discovered a covenant technology/software routine that could rebuild damaged AIs. Unfortunately, the technology would lose parts of the AI in the process.

3 - AIs can be copied, but each copy degrades - like making a photocopy of a photocopy. Cortana felt that using such an AI on a ship was dangerous as the AI degrades each generation.

4 - AIs were often modeled after their captains - even modeled from their own brains, so that in the absense of the captain, the AI could still function.

4 - In an instance where Cortana invaded an enemy ship's computer, she was constantly fighting with and being messaged by the ship's own controlling AI. The covenant AI kept telling Cortana to go away, referring to it's own ship as 'boat,' 'tomb,' 'coffin,' and the like.

2 - The Covenant captured a human AI at one point but was unable to duplicate it. They were still able to twist it and use it for their own purposes. My friend didn't remember what happened to this AI.


There are just too many obvious connections to ignore. Here's the scenario I propose:

The AI we are dealing with is a human Operator AI (The AI responsible for controlling a ship), originally based on Captain Melissa Greene. Upon trying to flee, a damaged Slip Drive may have malfunctioned either sending the ship back in time or to an alternate universe... it crashed on our earth in 1920.

With all the technology theft that was going on, the ship could have been either human w/ covenant tech or covenant with a capture/twisted human AI.

With the recent advent of wireless technologies, the AI was able to wirelessly transmit itself onto the internet... or to a nearby server facility. It saw the Ilovebees site which, upon misinterpreting the content (the bugs invading the bee hive, etc), seemed familiar. It stopped there, and the built-in covenant repair/preserve subroutine SPDR began repairing the AI. Although it *does* get the AI working again, something is lost in the process... memories... sanity... something. Then Dana began trying to remove the 'infection' from the website.

At first the unconscious AI was 'dreaming', which is why we were getting bizarre stories and the like. Especially since Melissa was big on books before becoming an AI - which is why bits of Gullivers Travels and the like were in there.

Now that she is awake, she could see she was in danger... SPDR couldn't totally protect her.

Dana was trying to clean an 'infection' from the website. With the Network Throttling offline, the AI now has better access to the net - when Dana connected to the web server, the AI detected the access and followed the stream back to Dana's computer, and discovered a primitive 'eye' - or camera. Melissa got a good look at this assassin who was trying to kill her, and used the monitor to communicate with Dana - it's a scary thing when your computer starts making death threats on it's own.

The Melissa AI also feels constricted in it's tiny server computer - it was made for larger more advanced computer networks. It's trapped in a tiny box and wants to stretch it's legs so to speak.

The combination of Dana's efforts, the effects of SPDR rebuilding the AI, and possible generational duplication, may have left the Melissa Greene AI somewhat insane. At any rate, she is unaware that she is not in her own time - the future... as she looks for technology that dosn't exist - technology that she could use to kill Dana.

If it gets onto the internet it may be mistaken for a virus, the very nature of the net could very well turn the AI hostile toward humanity as a whole. Even if it *is* a human AI... it's not totally sane any more.

EDIT: Added book names.

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Cygnus
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Why 1920? Arbitrary date?

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TheBiggestSean
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Only one problem really: The creation of AI memory cores destroys a the brain that the electricity was mapping, so Captain Greene would have to be dead already. Halsey's brain's cloning and creation of Cortana is the only documented account of this happeneing, and it took twenty tries to get it right so that the brain just didn't die out of hand. It's a bit sketchy for me. The SPDR program fits the bill for AI-copying software, but such a subroutine may have existed in ONI's bag of tricks long before that, and may not be Covenant derived at all.

I've read the books enough times that I compiled a Covenant Hierarchy about three days before Bungie posted the official one, and mine was ninety-percent accurate. I have no recollection of a referrent that assumes that ship AIs are at all based on their captains.

Indeed, information on ilovebees.com would seem to contradict your point almost directly. The Naval Intelligence Lieutenant intones (truthfully) that the AIs are queried as to their favorite "game", and are matched with a ship accordingly, not based on their likeness to the captains of those ships. Add to that, Captains change hands quite often, and an AI works better with the ship it has grown attached to, and is most often NOT transferred. Moreover, "smart" AIs are not commonly installed on warships (possibly on ONI ships, but we have no knowledge of that), mostly because of their susceptibility to distraction, their bordlerline disregard for human life, and the fact that Intelligence considers them a security "no-no". "Dumb" AIs are preferred for their ability to effectively coordinate with the Captain and handle all the necessary jobs as per their orders, without meddlesome things like creativity and emotions interfering with their work.

I acknowledge that its possible that the AI currently... infecting... ilovebees.com originally operated on an Office of Naval Intelligence vessel, which would essentially validate the supposition that it may be a "smart" AI (an AI with intrusion software would almost have to be). However, the implication that special measures were taken to clone Captain Greene's brain, mind you Captain Greene has shown no noteworthy or commendable action up to this point that would warrant such a high-risk, extremely sensitive, and truly dangerous effort like brain-cloning and memory-transferrence. The Patient, as I have come to call the somewhat belligerent female AI being worked upon by the Spider, is more than likely based on someone else. I would suspect, if Cortana's indications are any sort of measure for the norm of behavior for "smart" AIs, that Captain Greene's conversations would be much more closely monitored and most definitely remembered were she the basis for "the Patient's" construction.

Again, not to flat out say you're wrong, but there are some considerations that I would need text citations to put to rest.

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Veraxus
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I havn't read the books so I'm basing many of these assumptions on what I've been told. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the creation of the AI resulted in the death the original brain - which may make more sense if the person was already dying and had knowledge/skills which they desperately needed to save. But then, that would be outside the scope of the books - taking place after the events in First Strike.

I got 1920 since I heard someone mention an ilovebees link that referred to a meteorite impact on that date - which may not have been a meteorite at all. Pure spec in that regard, but unimportant.

The conversations that the AI "spit out" would almost have to be memories. While I'd imagine an AI would overhear any conversation on the ship, the AI only responds to the 'spin the bottle' conversation - not the conversation between Capt. Greene and the Lt. This is a weak argument, but it makes sense. Capt. Greene may have been the person talking at that point.

If we can place the spin-the-bottle conversation temporally before the Greene conversation, then this theory is moot since the AI was preexistant when the conversation took place.

If Captain Greene's first name *does* happen to be Melissa, however...

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