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kalamazoo · Veteran Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 83

my order:

10 2 11 12 7 13 1 9 4 {5, 8} 6

I'm not sure in what order 5 and 8 are, but I'm not sure it matters. What extra information do we get out of this? Are we just masticating on regurgitated cud here, or do we expect to get something out of this?

The only productive use I can think of is to order the Sleeping Princess replies in the order of the images, and see if they make any additional sense that way.

Another comment: notice how nondescript Dana's apartment is? It doesn't give us any additional clues.

1) Of course, that could be the PMs preventing rampant SPEC.

2) In-game, it also prevents Melissa from realizing her temporal dislocation. (If she were thinking straight she would have clued already. Old hardware, old network, systems and situation don't match expectations... but Melissa is lost in her own past and isn't really reacting too well to present stimuli.)

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:28 am

keybsnbits · Veteran Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 121

Would anybody like to comment ont he fact that at least four different entities are answering the questions? Either that or its one entity that's a pschytzo (sp?). Read over the answers again. And notice how whatever is sending messages through the killer images, calls them answers.

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:31 am

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Alakath · Boot Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 28

Calling them answers could be because ladybee777 never got the word answer and has to use answers... At least that is how I interpreted it.

I think I agree on the different entities thing though, I had thought about it in the shower this morning and was just coming here to post the spec. It seems like we have the SP for sure, and maybe one or two from the Queen, and maybe even one from the PF. I need to look at it a little closer though.

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:51 am

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Partnerz · Boot Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 39

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:12 am

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reefer · Greenhorn Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 9

Im not sure if this has been posted before
but in the killer picture no. 8 it seems like dana is looking
at something outside the picture near the window

and then combined with this

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:19 am

keybsnbits · Veteran Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 121

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:29 am

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Alakath · Boot Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 28

AIM, yeah, but I'll be at work until 7-8pm PST today, got a project I gotta wrap up... I'll be checking the boards today though and sneaking in a little bit of time to work on this puzzle. I'll PM you a bit later and see if I can figure something out. I think we definitely have the SP and the Queen talking, maybe the PF too.

13 for sure has a different voice than the ones ending in love, almost a mocking tone. This sounds like the Queen to me, or maybe the PF. We know that the PF can hide in the darkness, and we know that the Operator (who we think is the queen) was in charge of a spy-vessel, so both seem to be workable solutions for this one.

7, the one asking about Pious Flea, seems to be a different voice too; our SP (I am working under the assumption that most of these are SP) is much more airy in her writing. This seems almost like SPDR reciting the mantra, or maybe the Queen or somesuch. It doesn't flow with SP's manner of composing thoughts, and also she doesn't even try to answer the question her (or does she?). This could be stating that the speaker IS the Pious Flea, kind of like a "Seek and ye shall find" type-thing. My bet is still on the Queen, though.

12, the one asking if the speaker is the queen, seems to be spoken not by the SP, but maybe by the PF

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:08 pm

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ste · Boot Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 52

Here's what I think. None of the Q&As are from The Queen. The Queen is not posting in image files.

My logic:

The captured images of Dana are the Queen's way of saying, "I'm watching you". They're as close as she can get to physically harming Dana at the moment, and they're intended to terrify. So why would she corrupt them with hidden data?

Perhaps she can't help it - we can see sometimes she spews out stuff accidentally - but at least when it flows into the HTML it contains HTML codes. Piping plain text straight into an image appears to me to be a wholly different way of communicating. Combine that with The Widow's journey, which states that The Widow isn't aware of The Princess or The Flea, and the completely different styles of speech in the text stored in the images and spooled on the site, and I think it's clear those strands are two separate things.

It appears the images are a way of this second party communicating to us without the first party knowing.

NB: I've stated this elsewhere, but I think it's worth saying again: There is little sense in paying attention to the semantics of the killer.jpg Q&As. We can speculate all we want, but whoever's talking has a limited range of sentence fragments with which to talk back to us. Things like "I can apply a construct to protect your core" could be literal, but are more likely metaphors built around things that people have emailed in, in this case "I can help you" or whatever.

In that sense, speculating about whether it's one or two people based on the sentence constructions is aimless, since the stitched-together nature of the parsed returns makes it impossible to say for sure right now. More concrete is the fact that the STYLE is consistent, ie it's all frankensteined fragmented text; if more than one entity was talking to us, you'd expect them to differ.

So, with that in mind, here's what I believe. The Widow - SPDR - is talking to us (insofar as it can, as a dumb AI subroutine) through the white text on black boxes. The Queen - Melissa, The Operator - is talking to us through the plain text shattered across the webpage. Either The Sleeping Princess OR The Pious Flea is covertly talking to us through the text hidden in images. And whichever one's left has either yet to communicate, or is doing so through some means we have yet to pick up - perhaps the audio files on the site.

Does that make sense to anyone?

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:25 pm

Mukaikubo · Guest

Ste, it makes a lot more sense than anything I've been able to come up with. Is it possible that they're both using picture/text to communicate, SP and PF I mean?

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:32 pm

Partnerz · Boot Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 39

. The Killer.jpg writings are helping us out. They witnessed everything and are now using their knowledge to help us out. The Entities that we are dealing with used our emails that we sent to the Ladybee777 to communicate with us. In the messages it says

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:34 pm

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The photo ordering most likely has some significance.
Wouldn't a computer taking photos sequentially in time, number them in order?

--mrm

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:48 pm

NivekPS2 · Guest

different ordering

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:07 pm

JackFlack · Kilroy Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 2

fansworth-window

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:33 pm

mmdoogie

JackFlack:

http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=Corrupted_Image_Text

The complete (as far as we know) list of all text in images is in the wiki
at the link above.

--mrm

**Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:41 pm