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Wasteland
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additional info

Ok, so I reviewed the end of the first episode to try to help determine the location of the "bank". Here's what I've got so far:

Many of the shots show road signs but are too far away to view without a zoom option, which my DVR does not have. However, the scene was shot at an existing bank, a bank that was destroyed in the show. This bank is a red herring. I believe the photograph should be taken of the site they arrive at in the future. This future site is the 105 Freeway, as stated in the news report at the end of the episode that reports the appearence of "streakers" on the highway and features the cellphone camera shot of Sarah Connor.

This location, the 105 Freeway, is where the photo should be taken. As for visual clues, keep in mind that the scene is one of construction. While it's possible the construction vehicles were hired specifically for the shot, it seems unlikely to me, so this could be a good thing to watch out for if someone decides to check out the Freeway.

As for "Zoltan Gertz", it seems like a pretty poorly constructed lie. His name is so ridiculous it verges on the unbelievable, and even if it is his real name CriminallyInane's research shows that he works for a firm that could certainly be involved in in an ARG.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:51 pm

thebruce
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criminallyinane: re: occam's razor - well described!

Wasteland:

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The clerk at the store told me that Bill picked up the package....but the facebook page states that Bill delivered the package.

No, actually it states that Bill delivered the package to Zoltan - he could easily have picked up the package before anyone else, then delivered it to Zoltan.

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Furthermore, according to the facebook account Bill delivered the package to a total stranger who is totally unconnected and unaware of the ARG

No, Zoltan earlier posted in the Facebook group that his father used to work for Cyberdyne before it was destroyed. Bill also referred to his father. Clear connection to the ARG. (still not evidence however against a gamejack)

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all likelyhood the package simply never existed

Except that Zoltan posted a unique picture of the package he states he received, with the note. That 2nd package does exist in some capacity.

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Do you honestly think that they want you to take a picture of the inside of a bank vault

Given this is part of a major viral campaign for the TV show, it's extremely feasible that this situation can be pre-planned and set up to be allowed; whether it's through a 'fake' bank, or whether a real bank where the employees would be pre-prepared to handle players going there. Of course the possibility also exists, as you explained, and as suggested in previous comments, that this bank doesn't exist and the point is to locate where it did exist in the show to get its coordinates.

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fake...fake...fake...fake...fake...

Welcome to ARGing Smile

part of the fun is trying to determine what's real and what's not. Immediately crying fake doesn't help anyone - we need evidence. That doesn't mean we declare it canon immediately either, it just means we treat suspicious content as unconfirmed until verified one way or the other. So far, there has been no fake content (as in gamejack; not including, for example, stock photos used in-game), but rather a few things initially considered fake have been shown to be canon (such as Steve's effective confirmation that the flickr account is legitimate). So evidence in this case so far points to legitimate.

criminallyinane: re: Zoltan Gerts - if you check a few pages back, we discussed this person and what we could find about him. At this point we're generally accepting that he's a real person playing himself as a character; that is, yes Zoltan is real, and may even be involved in the arg, but that doesn't rule out that what he's saying is still in-game.

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:53 pm

Wasteland
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thebruce wrote:

criminallyinane: re: occam's razor - well described!

Wasteland:

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The clerk at the store told me that Bill picked up the package....but the facebook page states that Bill delivered the package.

No, actually it states that Bill delivered the package to Zoltan - he could easily have picked up the package before anyone else, then delivered it to Zoltan.

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Furthermore, according to the facebook account Bill delivered the package to a total stranger who is totally unconnected and unaware of the ARG

Quote:

all likelyhood the package simply never existed

Except that Zoltan posted a unique picture of the package he states he received, with the note. That 2nd package does exist in some capacity.

Quote:

Do you honestly think that they want you to take a picture of the inside of a bank vault

Quote:

fake...fake...fake...fake...fake...

Welcome to ARGing Smile

If Zoltan states his father worked for Cyberdyne, why do you actually believe the NYC package was at the store location? It makes absolutely no sense to send a package to a location, have an in-game actor pick up the package, then deliver the package to yet another in-game player. If the package actually exists there's absolutely no evidence it was actually at the location aside from the word of a person working at a store who was hired by the ARG creators to take part in the fantasy.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:14 pm

thebruce
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Wasteland wrote:

Suspend your disbelief for a bit. This is precisely the discussion we've been having a few pages back for a while.
Story-wise, in-game, it can make sense. There are 5 cameras. Enitech already has one, including keys to the locations of the other 4. The resistance gives them the ciphers for their locations - one in CA, and one in NY. The CA one is found by steve, who's contacted by the resistance with instructions. The NY one is intended to be found, but perhaps the resistance's plan changed and they wanted to ensure that Zoltan, who's related to a Cyberdyne employee, receives it. So Bill (supposedly from the resistance) picks it up before anyone else can, and delivers it to Zoltan, with instructions (which match the instructions found with Enitech's initial camera). The other 2 are still hidden elsewhere. Yes, there are unanswered questions, but every event and step can't answer every question - that's the fun of unveiling a story.

From a meta standpoint, this wasn't necessarily the best, most convenient, or fair gameplan for the players that the puppetmasters decided to carry out (we covered that earlier), but it seems at this point that's how it is playing out. Once we receive final trusted in-game confirmation that this is all legitimate (or not) then we'll know for sure (and perhaps people will have a confirmed reason to be upset with the PMs). Until then, suspend disbelief Wink

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:31 pm
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Rogi Ocnorb
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Re: additional info

Wasteland wrote:

This location, the 105 Freeway, is where the photo should be taken. As for visual clues, keep in mind that the scene is one of construction. While it's possible the construction vehicles were hired specifically for the shot, it seems unlikely to me, so this could be a good thing to watch out for if someone decides to check out the Freeway.

It'd have to be some generic 105 picture as the freeway scene was actually filmed in Albuquerque.

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:32 pm

wkelly42
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The trailer's up on iTunes for free download, for those who are curious and missed it. Episodes are a couple bucks each to download.

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:41 pm

jlr1001
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Wasteland wrote:

There is no way in hell, no way you're actually supposed to take the photo of an inside of the bank vault.

Well, I really depends on the bank... The last time I went to my safety deposit box the bank clerk asked if I wanted privacy, if I wanted her to step out.... (Smaller bank, btw). Basically I could have had asked her to leave, and while she was out had the freedom to take an exterior photo of any deposit box number I wanted...

So supplying a real photo of a deposit box number isn't impossible... It's impossible that it'd be the very one they wanted...

Now, my only question is, if the request is from a resistance member, then they'd have future knowledge... namely that this location isn't a bank anymore.... if so, why ask us specifically to take a picture of the deposit box?

-jlr1001

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:50 pm

KookieB
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jlr1001 wrote:

Now, my only question is, if the request is from a resistance member, then they'd have future knowledge... namely that this location isn't a bank anymore.... if so, why ask us specifically to take a picture of the deposit box?

This is purely spec, and I am going to try and write this so it makes sense. But maybe even though the bank isn't there in the future, they kept the vault in tact, underground or something. I mean if this thing is able to sustain a Nuke, it would probably be easier to bury it than deconstruct it. And maybe the resistance member told someone to place orders, or other information in that exact spot, in the future. OR maybe the effects of the actions of the resistance member is changing the future and therefore the resistance member will simply post in the future a note whether or not everything is working?

I mean it could be a myriad of reasons, and I have a feeling that once we find out what the reason is it will be something simple and silly Smile

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:10 pm

Kerrisis
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jlr1001 wrote:

Well, my guess is he wants to see what's at the site of the TDD in the bank about 3 years from now for some reason. What that precise reason is we have no way of knowing unless vpisteve manages to take the pic and submit it to Enitech.

Thinking about it, I get the impression that whoever's running this has a schedule of events laid out, with certain plot points that need to happen at certain times (Probably to mesh with events in TSCC). That would account for having one camera in the hands of the ARGers, and one in the hands of a Character. If we don't get it, they still have a way of advancing things "artificially" with their Character.

I also get the impression that Mr. Zoltan might as wll be wearing a red Star Trek jersey...

Edit: Hmm. Wasn't Skynet's "Tempus 1" facility based somewhere in LA? Maybe Skyet found the remains of the Resistance's TDD in the vault and copied it (Or maybe it just used that one). That would form a nice, self-perpetuating time loop. Maybe it's that facility they want future-pics of?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:11 pm
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jlr1001 wrote:

Also, it just occurred to me that with finding the 1 (2?) camera(s) I haven't seen anyone posting about the other two cards... I haven't been in the chatroom lately, so maybe everyone is actively working on it there... but I hope the silence here doesn't mean we've put the two other cards aside for the moment...

We're unable to work on the other two cards until the Resistance gives us the other two ciphers...

Perhaps once we accomplish the assigned tasks with the 2 we currently have, we'll get the other two ciphers...

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:27 pm

thebruce
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Steve found the bank - flickr pic

guessing he's there now working on getting a vault photo.

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:33 pm

Rogi Ocnorb
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I'm SO confused.

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:55 pm

jlr1001
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Ditto...

I thought the bank was gone....

-jlr1001

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:57 pm

MrToasty
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Maybe the targeting scanner was off? Dunno

Anyway, I have no idea when the 105 was completed, but it did seem unusual that an area that had so many businesses in 1999 would be completely demolished and replaced with a freeway in less than 8 years.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:06 pm

Rorschach
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MrToasty wrote:

Maybe the targeting scanner was off? Dunno

We did it here with the olympics.

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