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[SPEC] Sleeping Princess == cryogenic storage?
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 		[SPEC] Sleeping Princess == cryogenic storage?
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before; a quick search didn't turn up anything, so I thought I'd post it...

In the Story section, the Sleeping Princess is described as sleeping in a glass coffin in the deepest dungeon of the castle. Also, the recipient of the lovebees777 emails (Pious Flea? Sleeping Princess?) says that s/he is "some kid who wants to get noticed, very clever an instigator an innocent bystander stored in an airtight container in the deepest and darkest Sleeping casket in a chamber of the dungeon."

Now, besides the obvious folklore references, it might be useful to note that, in Halo 1, the order which Cortana gives to awaken the protagonist is: "Unseal the hushed casket." The ship has two cryogenic storage bays, each with multiple person-sized "caskets" for placing people in suspended animation. Perhaps the "Sleeping Princess" refers to an actual person, Spartan or otherwise, in cold storage?

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 		Correct me if I'm wrong.
I understood that the Castle was a reference to the computer.

Therefore the Glass coffin must be some kind of storage unit of the computer.

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Swissben wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I understood that the Castle was a reference to the computer.

Therefore the Glass coffin must be some kind of storage unit of the computer.


i think that there is a little of spec about that..

at this point we don't really know if the crash occourred in a "real" beach in our planet and in our time... af that is the case maybe the castle was the ship, and the memories posted in the site are just memories of the crash, and by that, the coffin is still in the ship? just rampant SPEC...
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 		glass
Glass is Silicon. He's refering to Silicon.

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 		Re: glass
Oea wrote:
Glass is Silicon. He's refering to Silicon.


That's one possible interpretation, yes. I'd also note, however, that the cryogenic caskets on board the Pillar of Autumn in Halo 1 had transparent fronts, so you could observe the person inside.

But this is all speculation.

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 		At one point in time, Melissa's ship and crew existed in meatspace.
If there was indeed a human survivor, there must be a physical crash site.

However, the possible human survivor was male - likely the Castaway - which suggests that it would not correlate to the Sleeping Princess.

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 		I don't think you can necessarily assume The Sleeping Princess is female. The Widow's Journey is a fairytale - The Pious Flea is not a flea, The Widow is a genderless subroutine. For example, the Sleeping Princess could easily refer to a male Spartan; maybe the storyteller doesn't know its gender, maybe it wants us to feel more protective of the entity in the casket, maybe The Sleeping Princess carries more Snow White overtones, maybe the people writing the tale felt a reference to the Sleeping Prince would be too obtuse.

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Did any of ya read "Halo: First Strike"? In that they find a surviving Spartan, Linda, I think it was, in an intact cryotube on a small fragment of Halo or the Pillar of Autumn. So the "Castle" could be referring to space, and the "Glass Coffin" would be Linda's cryotube. Oh well, thats just my hypothesis on this.

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I don't think you can necessarily assume The Sleeping Princess is female.

Thus far the genders have lined up. Besides, I don't know that the SPDR is the one narrating the Dream of the Widow's Journey. SPDR doesn't seem to be free thinking (as evidenced by The Operator's dismissal of what little thinking SPDR may do), so I doubt its capacity to dream.

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Roc wrote:
Thus far the genders have lined up. Besides, I don't know that the SPDR is the one narrating the Dream of the Widow's Journey. SPDR doesn't seem to be free thinking (as evidenced by The Operator's dismissal of what little thinking SPDR may do), so I doubt its capacity to dream.

Where have they lined up, though? Inside the fairytale? Or with external stuff? Because maybe I'm forgetting stuff with all the things we've seen, but I didn't think we'd got any conclusive references to The Sleeping Princess outside of that Widow's Journey thing.

I don't think SPDR is the narrator, and I don't think my post implied that I did, did it? Anyway, whatever, I certainly concur with what you're saying. SPDR's just responsible for fixing Melissa and for the big black box warning bits, I reckon. No AI beyond that.

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ste wrote:
I don't think you can necessarily assume The Sleeping Princess is female. The Widow's Journey is a fairytale - The Pious Flea is not a flea, The Widow is a genderless subroutine.


http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=Widow%27s_Journey_-_Computer_Text_Comparison

What happens in the fairytale is what the automated processes, theoretically of the SPDR, are doing on Dana's hard disc.

Therefore, any entity those characters perceive or interact with are going to be in the computer, at least until The Operator found and looked out through Dana's webcam (but that monologue refers to Dana as the Assassin, a character not mentioned in the above link).

The Sleeping Princess is part of the program that the Flea, the SPDR and the Queen belong with. The 'dungeon' is probably a quarantine file created by Dana's anti-viral program(s), which are mentioned in the Operator's Monologue.

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ste wrote:
Roc wrote:
Thus far the genders have lined up. Besides, I don't know that the SPDR is the one narrating the Dream of the Widow's Journey. SPDR doesn't seem to be free thinking (as evidenced by The Operator's dismissal of what little thinking SPDR may do), so I doubt its capacity to dream.

Where have they lined up, though? Inside the fairytale? Or with external stuff? Because maybe I'm forgetting stuff with all the things we've seen, but I didn't think we'd got any conclusive references to The Sleeping Princess outside of that Widow's Journey thing.


The most obvious case is that of the Operator herself- it seems pretty clear at this point that the "Queen" is "Melissa," an AI that clearly thinks of itself as female, likely because it was mapped from the brain of a woman. You are correct that there has been no direct evidence that the SP's gender is actually female; however, I think it's safer to guess (barring further evidence to the contrary) that the mention of the genders of the SP and Flea are significant.

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Noir wrote:

What happens in the fairytale is what the automated processes, theoretically of the SPDR, are doing on Dana's hard disc.


I'm intrigued by the significance of the ruby and the sapphire in the Widows tale. They seem too specific in description to be mere story filler. My first thought was that they represented Mars (the red planet) and Earth (the blue planet), though obviously that theory is wrong. So what do they represent?

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 		As I can't be bothered checking LWB or netninja for the specific link, do you have a link there Shadrach?

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 		The link to the story is here:

http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=Widow%27s_Journey_-_Computer_Text_Comparison


I can understand the blocks being blocks of data...but the gems...I don't know.

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