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OOG vs IG vs Reality vs Alternate Reality
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bizzle333
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OOG vs IG vs Reality vs Alternate Reality
trying to understand the movies timeline vs our timeline

somebody needs to explain something to me...

if the attack in the movie happens on 05-23 and it is based on our timeline then the events in the movie don't take place until 2009 (the next time 05-23 falls on a saturday like rob says at the end)

but if the attack in the movie happens on a fictional timeline where 05-23 can fall on a saturday in a different year (2007, 2008 or whatever), then how do you explain the myspace pages?

if the events in the movie happen in an alternate reality then why do we have a record of their correspondence through myspace in this reality. it doesn't make sense.

am i wrong?

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nicodemoscain
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Just to really throw you for a loop, what if it didn't take place on the next Saturday May 23rd, but the LAST Saturday May 23rd? Which would put it back in 1998...before half of the technology used to film this movie was even invented. Eh? Makes you think. Laughing

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gigantis2001
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Don't even think about it, man. It's not worth it. If JJ or somebody 'splains it, then, okay, but, for now, just let it pass.

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Kadarom
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The marketing company receiving no more information than we did before the films release is the easiest and most likely explanation.

All they had for a date was the film's release date, so they had everything lead up to that.

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xboyonfirex
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Kadarom wrote:
The marketing company receiving no more information than we did before the films release is the easiest and most likely explanation.

All they had for a date was the film's release date, so they had everything lead up to that.


that's just speculation.

I'd say that the dates are pointless to worry about... They really weren't a big part of the game... The only reason they were is because of the significance we put behind them...

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Kadarom
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xboyonfirex wrote:
Kadarom wrote:
The marketing company receiving no more information than we did before the films release is the easiest and most likely explanation.

All they had for a date was the film's release date, so they had everything lead up to that.


that's just speculation.

I'd say that the dates are pointless to worry about... They really weren't a big part of the game... The only reason they were is because of the significance we put behind them...
Yeah, kinda figured "most likely" covered that.

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TheSerenityOfSirens
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when it comes to the dates, the movie and the game completely contradict one another. its annoying and theres no logical explanation. either abrams will fill us in with an explanation, or it was a goof the size of MGP. either way, we will get no satisfying answer anytime soon.

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bizzle333
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Kadarom wrote:
The marketing company receiving no more information than we did before the films release is the easiest and most likely explanation.

All they had for a date was the film's release date, so they had everything lead up to that.


actually, that wouldnt be an explanation at all. abrams conceded as early as 2007.07.09 (by way of aint it cool news), less than a week after the first teaser appeared, that they had a lot of web tie-ins coinciding with the film and that, at that time, fans hadn't found them yet.

cloverfield didn't begin shooting until mid-june. that's only a few weeks prior to the debut of the teaser. as well as to his admitting to the existence of viral sites.

so it stands to reason, especially given abrams involvement in lost, that the viral marketing campaign was pre-meditated and pre-determined. and if that's the case, what's with the inconsistencies in movie-time vs. real-time? why have the movie lead up to an event on 05-23-?? but have the myspace pages lead up to an event on 01-18-08?

given how closely both the production of the movie and the viral campaign were launched, there's no discernable reason why the 2 couldnt have been made to coincide.

if there were no myspace tie-ins, you could make the argument that the movie takes place in an alternate reality. but the existence of those pages binds the 2 different planes of time and ruins the continuity of the entire story.

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bizzle333
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TheSerenityOfSirens wrote:
when it comes to the dates, the movie and the game completely contradict one another. its annoying and theres no logical explanation. either abrams will fill us in with an explanation, or it was a goof the size of MGP. either way, we will get no satisfying answer anytime soon.


word. this is pretty much what i was trying to say. only way more concise. Embarassed

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reccasquirrel
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I can't believe no one has noticed this yet...

Movie clearly shows Saturday May 23. This seems to be a pretty cut and dry statement about the date of the attack... ignoring that for a moment.

Lets look at the Myspace updates:
HUD to ROB - Jan 18 2008 4:03 PM
hey man. do you have any like, plans for tonight? cuz I was thinking of watching the complete 7th season of buffy, if you're in

ROB to HUD - Jan 18 2008 4:08 PM
That sounds awesome, actually. However, Grimes randomly invited me to see My Fair Lady, he got some free tickets or something. What time are you starting?

HUD to ROB - Jan 18 2008 4:13 PM
Time is an illusion, Rob. Lunchtime doubly so.

JAMIE blog post - Jan 18 2008 4:13 PM - Current mood: energetic
SOMEONE is seeing me naked tonight - and his name won't be Teddy. Tonight is all about me having fun as a free, single, sexy young woman. This is the start of a new era, I can feel it.

LILY blog post - January 18, 2008 4:35 PM - Current mood: stressed
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ICE BUCKET!?!? - Ahhhhihateboystheyarelazyanddon'thelpahhhhh!

BETH to LIL - Jan 18 2008 4:39 PM
Alright, I think I'm still gonna come. I might be late, though.


Okay... so there's a party going. This, many people are calling the party that we see in the movie. Granted- (sorry, a certain webpage just roared at me and I lost my train of thought for a second)

Granted, it makes a whole lot of sense to attribute this party to the party in the movie because of that website 1-18-08 which started this whole ARG.

But wait a second... go back and look at the dates on the pictures of 1-18-08.com Take, for example, the one with the military running through the streets. That picture has a Date/Time stamp of 1-18-08 1:24 AM. Now lets go back to that Myspace post. Hud invites Rob to watch Buffy with him on the 18th at 4:00 PM.

And, of course the newspost on Tagruato Corp is a 1/18/08 news piece which couldn't be if the attacks starting in the early AM.

So the movie says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
So the Myspace entries says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
So the news on Taguato Corp says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
Only the picture date/time stamps on 1/18/08 says it was on 1/18/08.

To invoke Occam's Razor, the most logical explanation is that the Myspace, Tagruato, and Movie were correct and that it is 1-18.08.com that must be wrong.

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bizzle333
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in response to "reccasquirrel" (i didn't wanna quote your whole post)...

i considered your approach already. there is one major flaw with that theory though (i'm sure there are more if i analyze everything more thoroughly, but i'm lazy). rob announces on his blog on 2008.01.04 that he got offered the job with tagruato. the attack happens on 2009.05.23. that means they threw a going away party for him on 2009.05.22. what company do you know would offer someone a job and then wait 17 months before actually hiring them?

btw, 1-18-08.com is definitely off on it's timing. the pics from the party are timestamped after midnight with the date 1-18-08. but the myspace pages are timestamped before midnight with the date 1-18-08. it's impossible.

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ohhh, WOW. that's right. Now I almost have to believe someone messed up.


the timestamps on the pictures at 1-18-08 are from the early morning and then the myspace comments are the same day in the afternoon as if there was confusion if the party took place on jan 17 through 18 or jan 18 through 19

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http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24057

When I asked this question, did I get any answers? nooooo

But I think Recca's post pretty much sums it up.
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Reposting what I put in another thread on this, with some edits:


Station was destryed about a month before the attack. Ignore the OOG-RW dates and move them 16 months forward to find the IG dates.

Sat May 23, 2009 was the attack (and the last Myspace updates and the last J&T video. (It's not like they could kindy ask Myspace to change thier code to allow the character's posts to be in 2009... ). Only the autstamps list the dates, the characters don't mention them. Closest is 'the middle of the month"

sometime between Chuai and the attack we have the monster moving toward shore, engaing the military at least once, and chewing up some whales, and lobsters and a cargoship..

April sometime would be the satelite and Chuai station incidents
And I beleive early April would also be the spring storm that almost stopped Tag from launching their tracking Sat.

Late March was the Tag website Hack, etc

I personally think they should go and redo the timestamps on the 1-18-08 page, including adding them to the last few pics. In order to match the actual timeline and not the RW marketing one.
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reccasquirrel wrote:
I can't believe no one has noticed this yet...

Movie clearly shows Saturday May 23. This seems to be a pretty cut and dry statement about the date of the attack... ignoring that for a moment.

Lets look at the Myspace updates:
HUD to ROB - Jan 18 2008 4:03 PM
hey man. do you have any like, plans for tonight? cuz I was thinking of watching the complete 7th season of buffy, if you're in

ROB to HUD - Jan 18 2008 4:08 PM
That sounds awesome, actually. However, Grimes randomly invited me to see My Fair Lady, he got some free tickets or something. What time are you starting?

HUD to ROB - Jan 18 2008 4:13 PM
Time is an illusion, Rob. Lunchtime doubly so.

JAMIE blog post - Jan 18 2008 4:13 PM - Current mood: energetic
SOMEONE is seeing me naked tonight - and his name won't be Teddy. Tonight is all about me having fun as a free, single, sexy young woman. This is the start of a new era, I can feel it.

LILY blog post - January 18, 2008 4:35 PM - Current mood: stressed
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ICE BUCKET!?!? - Ahhhhihateboystheyarelazyanddon'thelpahhhhh!

BETH to LIL - Jan 18 2008 4:39 PM
Alright, I think I'm still gonna come. I might be late, though.


Okay... so there's a party going. This, many people are calling the party that we see in the movie. Granted- (sorry, a certain webpage just roared at me and I lost my train of thought for a second)

Granted, it makes a whole lot of sense to attribute this party to the party in the movie because of that website 1-18-08 which started this whole ARG.

But wait a second... go back and look at the dates on the pictures of 1-18-08.com Take, for example, the one with the military running through the streets. That picture has a Date/Time stamp of 1-18-08 1:24 AM. Now lets go back to that Myspace post. Hud invites Rob to watch Buffy with him on the 18th at 4:00 PM.

And, of course the newspost on Tagruato Corp is a 1/18/08 news piece which couldn't be if the attacks starting in the early AM.

So the movie says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
So the Myspace entries says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
So the news on Taguato Corp says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
Only the picture date/time stamps on 1/18/08 says it was on 1/18/08.

To invoke Occam's Razor, the most logical explanation is that the Myspace, Tagruato, and Movie were correct and that it is 1-18.08.com that must be wrong.



yes. movie says attack wasnt on 1-18-08. but the myspace says attack is on 1-18-08. why does it not? the party was 18-08 as stated on their blog entries and all.

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